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Updates for string of Shark attacks in Egypt, experts arrive in Sharm to study shark behavior!!

 
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The last days have been nuts - following 3 attacks on tourists last week in Sharm El-Sheikh, closure of beaches and all water activities were the result - after exploratory dives last Friday, beaches and diving activities were permitted once again Saturday.
This was short lived. Today, another incident at a dive site called Middle Garden, where a german 71 year old woman died. It was said shark attack, grueling reports online, however, eye witnesses said she simply had a heart attack from seeing a very large shark or was being alarmed that there's a shark in the water. She was swimming!!
Anyhow, there's so much information tied in with last weeks attacks til today - if you want more info, ask me and I will give it. I just decided to post, because I saw the CNN report and want to avoid more false news being spread. Here is the link to CDWS (Chamber of Diving and Watersports)...as well as a clipping from their press release.

[link to www.cdws.travel]


PRESS RELEASE

CDWS statement update Sunday 5 December 22:00
- Diving and all watersports activities suspended in Sharm el Sheikh
- CDWS call in world renowned Shark Experts

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The suspension comes following a 4th incident in less than one week involving a shark attack on a tourist. Today's event took place off the beach in front of the Hyatt hotel, Naama Bay. Unfortunately, the 71 year old German woman did not survive.

Last week, three similar attacks took place involving one Ukranian and two Russian snorkellers. These incidents led to severe injuries, but no loss of life.

CDWS is the regulatory body for diving and watersports in Egypt and would like to emphasise that such attacks are extremely rare and this kind of shark behaviour is causing disbelief amongst the Red Sea diving community.

CDWS has over recent days called upon a number of experts from around the world including Dr Marie Levine (Head of the Shark Research Institute in Princeton), Dr Erich Ritter (a specialist in behavioural ecology), Dr Ralph Collier (Shark Research Committee and author of Shark Attacks of the Twentieth Century) and Dr. George H. Burgess (director of the Florida Program for Shark Research) in order to build a team of professionals in the field of shark behaviour.

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Together they will establish the best way to deal with this highly unusual situation and attempt to find the root of its cause.

CDWS chairman Hesham Gabr has called on the organisation's members to conduct further exploratory dives tomorrow along the Sharm el Sheikh coast in order to report back to the shark experts. He would also like to express his sympathies to the family of today's victim.

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Last week was reported everywhere that there was an attack on 4 tourists, however, later was discovered that the 4th injury was caused by corals on hands of a tourist and not a shark. This report was never corrected and still being circulated.

There's lots of confusion and wrong news being spread. As to the exact circumstances of the german woman who lost her life today, I will post the update with evidence as soon as I have it.

The shark responsible for this attack is a White Tip OCEANIC (Longimanus) - not to be confused with a White Tip Reef Shark.
This type of shark is found more in open ocean and reefs in the open ocean. For this shark to be present in Sharm El-Sheikh on the beach areas and to act so aggressive is highly unusual. Something triggered this behaviour, and that is why experts will be arriving tomorrow. I have my own theories. I've been diving with this particular shark numerous times, and it is to be respected.
However no divers were ever reporting of being attacked - the recent attacks were on swimmers. The Longimanus is not a shark you want to be swimming with, diving yes, so most likely he was attracted and curious by the splashing on the surface. But why there and why so frequent or this one individual, we will hopefully solve the mystery soon.



Egytpians caught 2 Mako sharks and some Longimanus last week, this was highly criticized by the Chamber and HEPCA. Obviously it did not do the trick, as we see from the incident today.

[link to www.hepca.com]

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Eye witnesses and professional divers say it is the same individual, a female Longimanus, who is responsible for all the attacks.
Rumors of divers being harassed by sharks at other dive sites are around - to me this all raises some serious alarm bells.

We have noticed a change this year with sharks, they were not at their usual spots. It was said due to high water temps, which was true. It was unusually hot. Now, sharks, especially Longimanus, in areas where it shouldn't be, acting strange. What is going on?

Still keep thinking of "The Swarm" by Frank Schaetzing...coming true? Is marine life fed up and taking revenge? Is the eco system totally out of whack?
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Reports of the sharks possibly going "BERZERK" are from boat crew in Sharm El-Sheikh. They talk together, all boats were summoned back to the Marina by Coast Guard today.
Nothing's going out in the sea tomorrow or in the water. Except professional divers and Chamber Members to do evaluation dives.
If I can, I will be there this weekend!
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Post Picks: Egypt’s real-life version of ‘Jaws’

[link to news.nationalpost.com]

It is a joke really - the picture shows the catch of a Mako shark, which had nothing to do with this attack and are extremely rare in the Red Sea. Jaws all over again.
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Animals are the first to change their behaviour when a disaster is about to happen.

Just saying...
Non nobis solum sed toti mundo nati.


Not for ourselves, but for the whole world were we born.
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VORTEX!
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what do you mean by that? Care to elaborate?
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Animals are the first to change their behaviour when a disaster is about to happen.

Just saying...
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Yes, .. have you read the novel of Frank Schaetzing "The Swarm" (Original german: Der Schwarm).
Uma Thurman bought the rights to this book years ago, a movie was to be made and to be release 2010/2011...suddenly the project disappeared. Wonder if it hit too close to the truth? Also had to do with deep see oil rigs, methane and marine life going bezerk!!!

I've never seen/heard this in 7 years, and I dive professionally. These sharks should not be there and should not act this way.

I will give more updates as I want to confirm from reliable sources and with evidence what happened today.
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Nobody has a theory?
I guess not too many are familiar with the Red Sea or marine life behavior. Some of you GLP'ers are tho....as I said, I have a theory, simply what I've been observing. But I'm gathering some more info first.
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Nobody has a theory?
I guess not too many are familiar with the Red Sea or marine life behavior. Some of you GLP'ers are tho....as I said, I have a theory, simply what I've been observing. But I'm gathering some more info first.
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Is Egypt in competition with anyone for tourists? I bet there are no shark attacks off Israeli coasts.... chuckle
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Those sharks are preferable to the hook-nose sharks that live to your northeast.
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Nobody has a theory?
I guess not too many are familiar with the Red Sea or marine life behavior. Some of you GLP'ers are tho....as I said, I have a theory, simply what I've been observing. But I'm gathering some more info first.


Is Egypt in competition with anyone for tourists? I bet there are no shark attacks off Israeli coasts.... chuckle
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You mean "terrorist shark"???

Funny,... but not plausible... :). Thanks for the giggle tho chuckle
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[link to edition.cnn.com]

Shark hunt on after woman killed off Egypt's coast

CNN) -- A German woman died Sunday after being attacked by a shark in waters off Sharm el-Sheikh, Egypt, in an area where three snorkelers were injured and two sharks were caught last week, officials said.

Egypt's tourism ministry has decided to close the Sharm el-Sheikh beach until the shark responsible for Sunday's attack is found, according to the nation's Interior Ministry.

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The chamber said that as of Friday, the condition of three injured snorkelers -- two Russian women and a man from the Ukraine -- were unchanged. One of them was critical, the chamber said in a statement, but did not say which one. The three were attacked in a 24-hour period November 30 and December 1, the chamber said.

Van Lysebettens said he is not a marine biologist, but many have speculated an oceanic white-tipped shark was responsible for the German woman's death, as well as the other attacks. Divers are upset because the two sharks killed Friday are thought to be innocent. They were a mako shark and another oceanic white-tipped shark -- which did not match pictures taken by someone accompanying one of the injured snorkelers, he said.

Officials at the national park did not provide details on "why the animals could not be relocated to remote waters as was previously suggested," the chamber's statement said, adding it "does not wish to see any harm to any further sharks."

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bump

for input...
do you think sharks are acting strange because of an impending disaster? Or is the eco system out of whack and we are starting to pay the price? Or is nature taking revenge?
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CNN) -- A German woman died Sunday after being attacked by a shark in waters off Sharm el-Sheikh, Egypt, in an area where three snorkelers were injured and two sharks were caught last week, officials said.

Egypt's tourism ministry has decided to close the Sharm el-Sheikh beach until the shark responsible for Sunday's attack is found, according to the nation's Interior Ministry.



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CNN) -- A German woman died Sunday after being attacked by a shark in waters off Sharm el-Sheikh, Egypt, in an area where three snorkelers were injured and two sharks were caught last week, officials said.

Egypt's tourism ministry has decided to close the Sharm el-Sheikh beach until the shark responsible for Sunday's attack is found, according to the nation's Interior Ministry.




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Yup..conflicting statements. The Chamber as well as HEPCA are against the catching of more sharks.
People such as Dr. Ritter (the documentaries of bullsharks and he got bit on his leg, he's quite famous) are arriving to Sharm tomorrow and I am hopeful they will conduct some survey's and educate the Ministry.
Shark fishing/finning is illegal in Egypt, however, sadly, not being enforced except by HEPCA and Diving Operators, which face lots of hurdles to bring violators to justice.
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Ahh..Hello,

Don't go into the water if your on the rag...just that simple...Duh.... chuckle
just sayin

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Nobody has a theory?
I guess not too many are familiar with the Red Sea or marine life behavior. Some of you GLP'ers are tho....as I said, I have a theory, simply what I've been observing. But I'm gathering some more info first.
 Quoting: Babsi

Thanks for the updates Babsi...
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Nobody has a theory?
I guess not too many are familiar with the Red Sea or marine life behavior. Some of you GLP'ers are tho....as I said, I have a theory, simply what I've been observing. But I'm gathering some more info first.

Thanks for the updates Babsi...
 Quoting: ~GAIA~


Thanks - things are truly nuts - I'm sorry about the terrible fires in Israel. Hope you and your family and friends are fine. Stay safe...and I'll stay out of the water for a while I guess ;).
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Nobody has a theory?
I guess not too many are familiar with the Red Sea or marine life behavior. Some of you GLP'ers are tho....as I said, I have a theory, simply what I've been observing. But I'm gathering some more info first.

Thanks for the updates Babsi...


Thanks - things are truly nuts - I'm sorry about the terrible fires in Israel. Hope you and your family and friends are fine. Stay safe...and I'll stay out of the water for a while I guess ;).
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...and I will get in....lol...

And thanks for your wishes....:)

Take care...:)
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Nobody has a theory?
I guess not too many are familiar with the Red Sea or marine life behavior. Some of you GLP'ers are tho....as I said, I have a theory, simply what I've been observing. But I'm gathering some more info first.

Thanks for the updates Babsi...


Thanks - things are truly nuts - I'm sorry about the terrible fires in Israel. Hope you and your family and friends are fine. Stay safe...and I'll stay out of the water for a while I guess ;).

...and I will get in....lol...

And thanks for your wishes....:)

Take care...:)
 Quoting: ~GAIA~


I'm assuming Gulf of Aquaba? Should be safe as all sharks somehow are attracted to Sharm El-Sheikh now..., lol.

Take care and wear a mask anyhow so you see what's going on around/below the water.
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Nobody has a theory?
I guess not too many are familiar with the Red Sea or marine life behavior. Some of you GLP'ers are tho....as I said, I have a theory, simply what I've been observing. But I'm gathering some more info first.

Thanks for the updates Babsi...


Thanks - things are truly nuts - I'm sorry about the terrible fires in Israel. Hope you and your family and friends are fine. Stay safe...and I'll stay out of the water for a while I guess ;).

...and I will get in....lol...

And thanks for your wishes....:)

Take care...:)


I'm assuming Gulf of Aquaba? Should be safe as all sharks somehow are attracted to Sharm El-Sheikh now..., lol.

Take care and wear a mask anyhow so you see what's going on around/below the water.
 Quoting: Babsi



are they moving North or just in Sharm?
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Nobody has a theory?
I guess not too many are familiar with the Red Sea or marine life behavior. Some of you GLP'ers are tho....as I said, I have a theory, simply what I've been observing. But I'm gathering some more info first.

Thanks for the updates Babsi...


Thanks - things are truly nuts - I'm sorry about the terrible fires in Israel. Hope you and your family and friends are fine. Stay safe...and I'll stay out of the water for a while I guess ;).

...and I will get in....lol...

And thanks for your wishes....:)

Take care...:)


I'm assuming Gulf of Aquaba? Should be safe as all sharks somehow are attracted to Sharm El-Sheikh now..., lol.

Take care and wear a mask anyhow so you see what's going on around/below the water.



are they moving North or just in Sharm?
 Quoting: ~GAIA~


Just in Sharm - the confirmed 4 attacks happened in areas we call "local" dive sites...all were swimmers/snorkelers off the beach from hotels, not from boats.
Some info came from dive boat crew members that apparently aggression from sharks was noted in Gulf of Suez at dive sites, which is very unusual...however I can not confirm it as crews talk and sometimes wrong info gets spread.

You are safe up there I would think, but I'd just be careful of my surroundings anyhow. Do not enter the water if there's food thrown in there or fishing activity, that's just a general precaution. Otherwise I have not heard anything about anything north of Straits of Tiran or Gulf of Aquaba.

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Nobody has a theory?
I guess not too many are familiar with the Red Sea or marine life behavior. Some of you GLP'ers are tho....as I said, I have a theory, simply what I've been observing. But I'm gathering some more info first.
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The fish are dieing, sharks are heading into new feeding areas.
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Nobody has a theory?
I guess not too many are familiar with the Red Sea or marine life behavior. Some of you GLP'ers are tho....as I said, I have a theory, simply what I've been observing. But I'm gathering some more info first.



The fish are dieing, sharks are heading into new feeding areas.
 Quoting: Yee Haw


You got a point - overfishing I would say, as well as sharks being lured in by food being thrown in the sea near the beaches where hotels and tourism has exploded.
Longimanus shark should not be in this area. It has been absent all summer at the "hotspots" for this type of shark in the south and we were told due to water temps being too high. Instead it is showing up in the north and at places where I have logged 100's of dives in the last years and not once encountered a shark.

Curious indeed....
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With all the pollution and overfishing, we're killing most of the smaller fish. Apparently the sharks are now beginning to starve and will thus eat anything that they can, even humans.
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With all the pollution and overfishing, we're killing most of the smaller fish. Apparently the sharks are now beginning to starve and will thus eat anything that they can, even humans.
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They do not want to eat humans - they simply started to associate humans with food. This particular shark has been known to come around boats and zodiacs (rubber dingy with outboard engine) and expect food. This is due to crew throwing food or fishing.

But yes, overfishing and pollution must be driving them out of their natural area's and that is why they are showing up in these tourism spots. But not to eat people, simply because they will find food there. The people attacked were flopping around on the surface, which triggers the hunting instinct of this shark. Rule #1 while we were diving with this shark was to stop finning and keep your hands tucked inside, as this shark is known to bump you and do investigative bites.
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bump to keep at the 1st page - this is important because of the unusual circumstances. People diving in the Red Sea for over 20 or so years have not seen this.
Dr. Ritter and other specialists were summoned to Egypt to investigate the cause of this unusual occurrence.
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Info to Dr. Erich Ritter, Shark Specialist who will arrive in Sharm El-Sheikh tomorrow to evaluate the shark attack incidents in the Red Sea the last few days.

[link to www.sharkwater.com]

Info to his shark attack incident during the filming of a discovery channel documentary about bullsharks.

[link to www.youtube.com]

[link to www.sharkinfo.ch]
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[link to english.aljazeera.net]


"It is unusual to have four attacks in a week," Rolf Schmid, the manager of the Sinai Diver's Centre, said.

"The attack happened in a shallow area called Middle Garden north of Naama Bay, and the whole area hasn't had sharks for the past 10 to 15 years."

The environment ministry said on Thursday that it had caught and killed the two sharks behind the first attacks, but there were doubts over whether the sharks had been correctly identified.

Conservation concerns

But the Hurghada Environmental Protection and Conservation Association (HEPCA) said that photographs of the dead sharks and pictures taken shortly before one of the attacks did not appear to show the same fish.

The conservation group warned against "randomly catching and killing" sharks in the area.

Arm Ali, the Director of HEPCA, told Al Jazeera: "We are talking about an area that has major natural resources ... and you cannot start eliminating sharks and taking them out of the water because an incident or two happened.

"This ... happens every one or two years. We have frenzied sharks in the water because of illegal fishing, because of zero enforcement on long-line fishing, but we cannot start emptying our national parks of sharks until we find the suspected one."





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