Camden, NJ laying off half its cops | |
J-Rico
User ID: 1116423 United States 12/03/2010 12:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Does anything think this will end up costing the state more in the long run? Quoting: SaltWaterTaffyAre we shooting ourselves int he foot? Even if you don't involve "cost"... it brings up an issue about security. Camden's crime isn't going down but the response team for this crime is. Not only that, but the remaining cops' workload has essentially doubled. It might not COST as much as you'd think, but it could definitely cost lives. Less cops, less emergency services, etc. can lead to a breakdown to that town's community. Everyone dies, but not everyone lives. :moranrico::Rico::moranrico: |
SaltWaterTaffy
(OP) User ID: 1066095 United States 12/03/2010 12:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And how is New Jersey going to function if all the worst cities start going the wrong way fast? It's not just the cops in Camden - it's 1 in 4 city employees. I was considering taking classes at Rutgers Camden next semester. Some big defense contractor had some jobs there too (Raytheon? Lockheed? I forget ...) It just sucks it gets beat down again and in such a huge way. Last Edited by SaltWaterTaffy on 12/03/2010 12:12 PM :SWT name: When the shit hits the fan and the end is quite nigh, will you cry out to heaven? Will you lay down and die? Not me, my dear ones. This is my sacred life. To no one or no thing I'll surrender. For how does one know where when dead he will go, or if sweet mother Earth she'll remember? |
SaltWaterTaffy
(OP) User ID: 1066095 United States 12/03/2010 12:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm here Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1123488[link to www.city-data.com] It's cold and flat but no crime and decent amount of work. Almost all white. Black men are just more aggressive then white men and don't seem to have any problem with using violence at the drop of a hat, and it's more of a cultural thing, since not all blacks act like this, it's just the way the ghetto, rap culture is. I love South Dakota - I spent time there - it is so quiet and spacious. I left South Jersey for 11 years in PA, WV, KY and TN but returned so my kids can grow up with my folks. I'm from Cumberland County. Cumberland County is a mess too, but that's a whole different story. I brought my family back here, take them to the Aquarium, take them to see shows ... I take them to AC too .... there are others like me and it's all falling apart around us. It's so sad. Last Edited by SaltWaterTaffy on 12/03/2010 12:08 PM :SWT name: When the shit hits the fan and the end is quite nigh, will you cry out to heaven? Will you lay down and die? Not me, my dear ones. This is my sacred life. To no one or no thing I'll surrender. For how does one know where when dead he will go, or if sweet mother Earth she'll remember? |
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User ID: 1100406 United States 12/03/2010 12:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | GREAT, PERFECT CITY FOR A SKELETON CREW PD. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 904454NICE FOLKS, PEACEFUL WELL MAINTAINED NEIGHBORHOODS, GREAT SCHOOLS, LOW CRIME RATE, THRIVING BUSINESS COMMUNITY. OH, WAIT, I'M SORRY, THAT WAS WHEN IT WAS A WHITE CITY. I WAS LOOKING AT THE 1950 STATS. |
J-Rico
User ID: 1116423 United States 12/03/2010 12:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And how is New Jersey going to function if all the worst cities start going the wrong way fast? Quoting: SaltWaterTaffyIt's not just the cops in Camden - it's 1 in 4 city employees. I was considering taking classes at Rutgers Camden next semester. Some big defense contractor had some jobs there too (Raytheon? Lockheed? I forget ...) It just sucks it's gets beat down again and in such a huge way. I'm just glad I live in a bit better area of New Jersey. Sometimes I wish I could just up and leave. Everyone dies, but not everyone lives. :moranrico::Rico::moranrico: |
SaltWaterTaffy
(OP) User ID: 1066095 United States 12/03/2010 12:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thats so they can pay all these new TSA workers, the old saying "rob Peter to pay Paul." Quoting: Monster 1131292It is robbing Peter to pay Paul, but it's state of NJ money that got cut. Camden has a tiny tax base. Gov. Christie cut them off. :SWT name: When the shit hits the fan and the end is quite nigh, will you cry out to heaven? Will you lay down and die? Not me, my dear ones. This is my sacred life. To no one or no thing I'll surrender. For how does one know where when dead he will go, or if sweet mother Earth she'll remember? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1084931 United States 12/03/2010 12:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | All I know is, there aren't liquor stores on every other corner in my neighborhood, or even my friends'. I know a good Irish pub or two in some local towns, but they were there for many years, that's a pub, in town, not a liquor store. Sad how the impoverished communities get brought down more and more by vices like this. It's ultimately the children who suffer and who see no hope of getting out. |
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SaltWaterTaffy
(OP) User ID: 1066095 United States 12/03/2010 12:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sad how the impoverished communities get brought down more and more by vices like this. It's ultimately the children who suffer and who see no hope of getting out. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1084931A few months in Camden really opened my eyes to this and changed how I look at the world. I was there in July & August '91 & '92 One guy in our group got shot in the back loading a bunch of kids into a van after a basketball game. But when we'd go into people's homes the price tag on their milk was 6 bucks! They had to buy it at the liquor store. They had to cash their checks there too. These were senior citizens. I never understood how no one except the churches was there to help the kids and the old people. It has to be in the best interest of Camden County if not all of NJ to not let the city degenerate even further, right? :SWT name: When the shit hits the fan and the end is quite nigh, will you cry out to heaven? Will you lay down and die? Not me, my dear ones. This is my sacred life. To no one or no thing I'll surrender. For how does one know where when dead he will go, or if sweet mother Earth she'll remember? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1172418 United States 12/03/2010 12:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | GREAT, PERFECT CITY FOR A SKELETON CREW PD. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 904454NICE FOLKS, PEACEFUL WELL MAINTAINED NEIGHBORHOODS, GREAT SCHOOLS, LOW CRIME RATE, THRIVING BUSINESS COMMUNITY. OH, WAIT, I'M SORRY, THAT WAS WHEN IT WAS A WHITE CITY. I WAS LOOKING AT THE 1950 STATS. It wasn't the fact that it was a white city then because it actually wasn't nor has it ever been really. It was because there was an incredible amount of work in the city due to may factories being up and running. Campbells soup is really the only big operation left from those days. The factories all closed up, got bought out, merged with someone else or just died off and nothing replaced them. That combined with the Philadelphia mafia dumping tons of drugs in the city and you have what you have decades later. Learn your facts before you make it a race thing dum dum. YOU ARE 100% INCORRECT. IF YOU PREFER TO REMAIN IN DENIAL, POWER TO YOU, BUT THE CONSTANT REWRITING OF HISTORY DOESN'T CHANGE THE FACT THAT RACE IS EVERYTHING. WHERE WHITES LIVE IN THE MAJORITY, YOU HAVE SAFE, WELL RUN PEACEFUL CITIES, WHERE BLACKS ARE IN THE MAJORITY THEY FAIL. ALWAYS. EVERY TIME. Got any comments about Miami Dade, just like Leave to to Beaver down there. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1021073 United States 12/03/2010 12:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | But hey... y'all gotta keep those Bush tax cuts in place! Hell, who needs police, emergency services and schools anyway? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 53618Bush era tax cuts have squat to do with local Police. Income tax is entirely taken up servicing the national debt alone. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1021073 United States 12/03/2010 12:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sad how the impoverished communities get brought down more and more by vices like this. It's ultimately the children who suffer and who see no hope of getting out. Quoting: SaltWaterTaffyA few months in Camden really opened my eyes to this and changed how I look at the world. I was there in July & August '91 & '92 One guy in our group got shot in the back loading a bunch of kids into a van after a basketball game. But when we'd go into people's homes the price tag on their milk was 6 bucks! They had to buy it at the liquor store. They had to cash their checks there too. These were senior citizens. I never understood how no one except the churches was there to help the kids and the old people. It has to be in the best interest of Camden County if not all of NJ to not let the city degenerate even further, right? It would be in the best interest of the state and the nation to encase the city in a dome and fire it into space, then allow the residents to individually re-apply for US Citizenship. The only people who are still living in Camden are the irredeemably evil or those without the means to escape. It might also be pointed out that NJ's ridiculous gun laws are coming back to bite its citizens in the butt just now. The gangs seem to have no problems acquiring fire power but the law abiding citizens are screwed. |
SaltWaterTaffy
(OP) User ID: 1066095 United States 12/03/2010 12:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | But hey... y'all gotta keep those Bush tax cuts in place! Hell, who needs police, emergency services and schools anyway? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1021073Bush era tax cuts have squat to do with local Police. Income tax is entirely taken up servicing the national debt alone. This is true. In this case it was the state funding that Camden relies on (due to it's very low tax base) was cut off. Probably the same with newark, although I don't know. Maybe someone could call Zuckerman and Oprah for some help for Camden? :SWT name: When the shit hits the fan and the end is quite nigh, will you cry out to heaven? Will you lay down and die? Not me, my dear ones. This is my sacred life. To no one or no thing I'll surrender. For how does one know where when dead he will go, or if sweet mother Earth she'll remember? |
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dookie stain User ID: 907535 United States 12/03/2010 12:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm glad I turned down investment property in Newark during the boom.....I figured if things went south, the jungle will reclaim any development.....some condos that went for 200K are now 90K.....Jersey City property held up OK tho....Camden? It didn't do well even DURING the real estate boom.... |
SaltWaterTaffy
(OP) User ID: 1066095 United States 12/03/2010 12:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It would be in the best interest of the state and the nation to encase the city in a dome and fire it into space, then allow the residents to individually re-apply for US Citizenship. The only people who are still living in Camden are the irredeemably evil or those without the means to escape. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1021073It might also be pointed out that NJ's ridiculous gun laws are coming back to bite its citizens in the butt just now. The gangs seem to have no problems acquiring fire power but the law abiding citizens are screwed. Those are the ones I'm worried about. The rest of the good people just got laid off and are moving. :SWT name: When the shit hits the fan and the end is quite nigh, will you cry out to heaven? Will you lay down and die? Not me, my dear ones. This is my sacred life. To no one or no thing I'll surrender. For how does one know where when dead he will go, or if sweet mother Earth she'll remember? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1021073 United States 12/03/2010 12:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And how is New Jersey going to function if all the worst cities start going the wrong way fast? Quoting: SaltWaterTaffyIt's not just the cops in Camden - it's 1 in 4 city employees. I was considering taking classes at Rutgers Camden next semester. Some big defense contractor had some jobs there too (Raytheon? Lockheed? I forget ...) It just sucks it gets beat down again and in such a huge way. I wonder if just hiring Blackwater (or Bunnie Cuddle Securities or whatever they're now called) would be more cost effective. It's already a free fire zone. |
SaltWaterTaffy
(OP) User ID: 1066095 United States 12/03/2010 12:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm glad I turned down investment property in Newark during the boom.....I figured if things went south, the jungle will reclaim any development.....some condos that went for 200K are now 90K.....Jersey City property held up OK tho....Camden? It didn't do well even DURING the real estate boom.... Quoting: dookie stain 907535Camden never had a boom that I can think of. It's the most beat down place I've ever seen. And I mean beat down. From outside and inside. For decades. :SWT name: When the shit hits the fan and the end is quite nigh, will you cry out to heaven? Will you lay down and die? Not me, my dear ones. This is my sacred life. To no one or no thing I'll surrender. For how does one know where when dead he will go, or if sweet mother Earth she'll remember? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 904454 United States 12/03/2010 12:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | GREAT, PERFECT CITY FOR A SKELETON CREW PD. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1172418NICE FOLKS, PEACEFUL WELL MAINTAINED NEIGHBORHOODS, GREAT SCHOOLS, LOW CRIME RATE, THRIVING BUSINESS COMMUNITY. OH, WAIT, I'M SORRY, THAT WAS WHEN IT WAS A WHITE CITY. I WAS LOOKING AT THE 1950 STATS. It wasn't the fact that it was a white city then because it actually wasn't nor has it ever been really. It was because there was an incredible amount of work in the city due to may factories being up and running. Campbells soup is really the only big operation left from those days. The factories all closed up, got bought out, merged with someone else or just died off and nothing replaced them. That combined with the Philadelphia mafia dumping tons of drugs in the city and you have what you have decades later. Learn your facts before you make it a race thing dum dum. YOU ARE 100% INCORRECT. IF YOU PREFER TO REMAIN IN DENIAL, POWER TO YOU, BUT THE CONSTANT REWRITING OF HISTORY DOESN'T CHANGE THE FACT THAT RACE IS EVERYTHING. WHERE WHITES LIVE IN THE MAJORITY, YOU HAVE SAFE, WELL RUN PEACEFUL CITIES, WHERE BLACKS ARE IN THE MAJORITY THEY FAIL. ALWAYS. EVERY TIME. Got any comments about Miami Dade, just like Leave to to Beaver down there. REALLY? YOU THINK? MIAMI HAS 10.5% WHITES. THAT'S ALMOST 90% OTHER THAN WHITE. WE MUST HAVE GROWN UP WATCHING TWO DIFFERENT LEAVE IT TO BEAVERS. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 904454 United States 12/03/2010 12:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm glad I turned down investment property in Newark during the boom.....I figured if things went south, the jungle will reclaim any development.....some condos that went for 200K are now 90K.....Jersey City property held up OK tho....Camden? It didn't do well even DURING the real estate boom.... Quoting: SaltWaterTaffyCamden never had a boom that I can think of. It's the most beat down place I've ever seen. And I mean beat down. From outside and inside. For decades. IT WAS A GREAT TOWN RIGHT UP UNTIL THE RIOTS. IN THE FIFTIES IT WAS SPARKLING AND EVERYONE HAD A JOB AND IT HAD A VIBRANT LIFE ABOUT IT- OF COURSE THE DEMOGRAPHICS WERE SKEWED TO THE LIGHTER END OF THE SPECTRUM. YOU SHOULD GOOGLE IMAGES OF CAMDEN, JUST ADD WHATEVER YEAR YOU LIKE TO THE SEARCH SO YOU CAN SEE FOR YOURSELF THE SEA CHANGE AND THE DIFFERENCE IN THE COLOR OF THE FACES ON THE STREETS. |
SaltWaterTaffy
(OP) User ID: 1066095 United States 12/03/2010 01:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Camden's one of the worst places in Jersey. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1128921Uh oh. It was the rated the worst city in the US until this year. They freaking burn houses for fun the night before Halloween. When I asked my coworker what he thought he said: They want to reclaim their number one title! LOL :SWT name: When the shit hits the fan and the end is quite nigh, will you cry out to heaven? Will you lay down and die? Not me, my dear ones. This is my sacred life. To no one or no thing I'll surrender. For how does one know where when dead he will go, or if sweet mother Earth she'll remember? |
SaltWaterTaffy
(OP) User ID: 1066095 United States 12/03/2010 01:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | IT WAS A GREAT TOWN RIGHT UP UNTIL THE RIOTS. IN THE FIFTIES IT WAS SPARKLING AND EVERYONE HAD A JOB AND IT HAD A VIBRANT LIFE ABOUT IT- OF COURSE THE DEMOGRAPHICS WERE SKEWED TO THE LIGHTER END OF THE SPECTRUM. YOU SHOULD GOOGLE IMAGES OF CAMDEN, JUST ADD WHATEVER YEAR YOU LIKE TO THE SEARCH SO YOU CAN SEE FOR YOURSELF THE SEA CHANGE AND THE DIFFERENCE IN THE COLOR OF THE FACES ON THE STREETS. Oh I know what it was like. My family has been right here since they ran out of potatoes. Last Edited by SaltWaterTaffy on 12/03/2010 01:07 PM :SWT name: When the shit hits the fan and the end is quite nigh, will you cry out to heaven? Will you lay down and die? Not me, my dear ones. This is my sacred life. To no one or no thing I'll surrender. For how does one know where when dead he will go, or if sweet mother Earth she'll remember? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1050140 United States 12/03/2010 01:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sad how the impoverished communities get brought down more and more by vices like this. It's ultimately the children who suffer and who see no hope of getting out. Quoting: SaltWaterTaffyA few months in Camden really opened my eyes to this and changed how I look at the world. I was there in July & August '91 & '92 One guy in our group got shot in the back loading a bunch of kids into a van after a basketball game. But when we'd go into people's homes the price tag on their milk was 6 bucks! They had to buy it at the liquor store. They had to cash their checks there too. These were senior citizens. I never understood how no one except the churches was there to help the kids and the old people. It has to be in the best interest of Camden County if not all of NJ to not let the city degenerate even further, right? Wrong! White suburbanites don't give a damn about Camden or the other inner cities. They are perceived as black, drug marts filled with drug dealers and criminals and not worth attempting to salvage with a 50% HS drop out rate.. Funny, right across the river is the beautiful skyline of Philadelphia which would command exorbitant rents and condo fees. If only....... I managed a minority company in the 90's providing medical transportation for Camden County and Conrail and spent a lot of time "seeing" Camden. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1050140 United States 12/03/2010 01:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sad how the impoverished communities get brought down more and more by vices like this. It's ultimately the children who suffer and who see no hope of getting out. Quoting: SaltWaterTaffyA few months in Camden really opened my eyes to this and changed how I look at the world. I was there in July & August '91 & '92 One guy in our group got shot in the back loading a bunch of kids into a van after a basketball game. But when we'd go into people's homes the price tag on their milk was 6 bucks! They had to buy it at the liquor store. They had to cash their checks there too. These were senior citizens. I never understood how no one except the churches was there to help the kids and the old people. It has to be in the best interest of Camden County if not all of NJ to not let the city degenerate even further, right? Wrong! White suburbanites don't give a damn about Camden or the other inner cities. They are perceived as black, drug marts filled with drug dealers and criminals and not worth attempting to salvage with a 50% HS drop out rate.. Funny, right across the river is the beautiful skyline of Philadelphia which would command exorbitant rents and condo fees. If only....... I managed a minority company in the 90's providing medical transportation for Camden County and Conrail and spent a lot of time "seeing" Camden. |
SaltWaterTaffy
(OP) User ID: 1066095 United States 12/03/2010 01:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sad how the impoverished communities get brought down more and more by vices like this. It's ultimately the children who suffer and who see no hope of getting out. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1050140A few months in Camden really opened my eyes to this and changed how I look at the world. I was there in July & August '91 & '92 One guy in our group got shot in the back loading a bunch of kids into a van after a basketball game. But when we'd go into people's homes the price tag on their milk was 6 bucks! They had to buy it at the liquor store. They had to cash their checks there too. These were senior citizens. I never understood how no one except the churches was there to help the kids and the old people. It has to be in the best interest of Camden County if not all of NJ to not let the city degenerate even further, right? Wrong! White suburbanites don't give a damn about Camden or the other inner cities. They are perceived as black, drug marts filled with drug dealers and criminals and not worth attempting to salvage with a 50% HS drop out rate.. Funny, right across the river is the beautiful skyline of Philadelphia which would command exorbitant rents and condo fees. If only....... I managed a minority company in the 90's providing medical transportation for Camden County and Conrail and spent a lot of time "seeing" Camden. I know they DON'T care ... but they should right? I mean - if we just let Camden and Newark go the way they will ... what about Cherry Hill, Collingswood? I just think that these communities would want to see Camden better off, not worse. :SWT name: When the shit hits the fan and the end is quite nigh, will you cry out to heaven? Will you lay down and die? Not me, my dear ones. This is my sacred life. To no one or no thing I'll surrender. For how does one know where when dead he will go, or if sweet mother Earth she'll remember? |