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What's sad is that many school districts don't/can't afford (?) to train their teachers on how to deal with children with Autism. My son has been in a regular classroom the last two years- last year with an aide, this year without. While the primary teachers have been very understanding, I do not believe that the teachers who teach gym and art and other "special" classes, are understanding at all. They do not know how to handle these kids, I think partly because there has never been a reason to train them. They also see kids like these maybe once a week, for an hour at most. So when the child exhibits behavior they're not used to, they assume the kid is acting out on purpose, and so they treat them like they would any other student. A better understand of child with Autism's needs - be it sensory, behavioral, social - is necessary. It should be a requirement that all teachers go through some kind of seminar or something. I have heard from therapists that working with these teachers can be a nightmare, because many have never heard of Sensory Processing, much less believe it's an actual diagnosis of a serious problem. My son has gotten in trouble twice this year for things which in my belief, were not really in his control. It's ridiculous. He's only 7, though. Puberty has not come into play yet, and I really don't look forward to when it does.
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The law doesn't look at affording as a basis for treatment. Hire a children's disability attorney for an hour to consult or track down a local advocate. You'll find that schools are required by law to provide many things (aides etc.) that they say they can't afford and that they have certain requirements as to how to treat autistic children. it sounds like your school system is giving you the run around and avoiding its legal obligations.
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Your son is entering his "aggressive phase" - it coincides with puberty. Your life will be very stressful for the next six to eight years, I'm sorry to say. Puberty is a volatile time for autistic children. They seem to be extremely sensitive to hormonal changes. Expect lots more aggressive outbursts, and be prepared to defend yourself.

However, in my experience, it is best to keep them away from public schools. Most teachers are completely unprepared for the special needs of an autistic child, and often resort to abusive tactics just to "calm the child down" in the classroom. Did you ever see the hidden camera footage of a boy in his class, being held down by three to five adults like he was a criminal being detained by police? Sadly, that's a popular reaction. And judging by the pricipal's threats to press charges, they don't even want your son in their school. That is an appalling response, one that not even I have come across.

My advice to you is to talk to your ex. You need to come together, as parents of this child, and amicably decide the best course for your son. Unfortunately, this may include taking your son out of public school; I can tell you from experience that he will be miserable there, mostly due to staff incompetence/abuse. The most important aspect here, though, is to make sure your ex understands that public school is no place for an autistic child. It should be a last resort for his education, especially during puberty.
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My soon to be ex says there's nothing wring with my son, that he's just spoiled because he always got his way.


UNLESS of course it benefits him.

He's only autistic when he wants him to be.

I told you he's an asshole, it was an understatement.

He put my kids in school to show that he's in control and to prove that I'm a bad mother. He knew I didn't want them there so that is where he put them.
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Normal children have SPECIAL NEEDS too, like the need to be protected from violence. Hard as it may be for you to understand, other people do not want THEIR children to be beaten, kicked and spat on on a daily basis during their entire school life, just because their children had the bad luck to get stuck in the same class as your "special" son.

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alone Oh - didn't you know your not supposed to say that.
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Just a theory:

Autism is not a disorder but more of a genetic mutation that has arisen from centuries of humans being bloodlined and genetically tampered with in order to be mind controlled. Autistics are resistant to it. I am not just talking about full blown autistics, I am talking about the full spectrum. So other means must be implemented to control them. Sometimes they are tortured, of course more often they are refered to psych agencies that isolate and pigeonhole them away from mainstream (mind controlled) society. In the case of this thread they are being labled as violent and crazy and treated as criminals for reacting to the insanity around them that is a slave existence. Autistics see this very clearly because of the resistance to programming. Many higher functioning autistics get hearded into the new age movement to be programmed and controlled as indigo or crystal children.

Interesting the OP's kid is an autistic. Explains alot.
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One of the most insightful things I've read ever on GLP.

Knowing a number of autistic people (mostly very successful), I think this is exactly right.
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Just a theory:

Autism is not a disorder but more of a genetic mutation that has arisen from centuries of humans being bloodlined and genetically tampered with in order to be mind controlled. Autistics are resistant to it. I am not just talking about full blown autistics, I am talking about the full spectrum. So other means must be implemented to control them. Sometimes they are tortured, of course more often they are refered to psych agencies that isolate and pigeonhole them away from mainstream (mind controlled) society. In the case of this thread they are being labled as violent and crazy and treated as criminals for reacting to the insanity around them that is a slave existence. Autistics see this very clearly because of the resistance to programming. Many higher functioning autistics get hearded into the new age movement to be programmed and controlled as indigo or crystal children.

Interesting the OP's kid is an autistic. Explains alot.


One of the most insightful things I've read ever on GLP.

Knowing a number of autistic people (mostly very successful), I think this is exactly right.
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This isn't a genetic mutation that has been happening over centuries, this is a new attack on these children too keep them from knowing.
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[link to abcnews.go.com]

Here's an interesting story of an autisitc girl explaining herself. It is quite extraordinary. I wish I could find the actual video interview, there is one that is much longer and more detailed than the ABC interview, it's pretty amazing. Keep strong for your child, consider, that he could likely be trying to tell you something in his own way.
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Sometimes the help here is better than that which you pay for. If there are 10 responses and 2 of those are good, you got more than your money's worth! So I don't see anything wrong with that.

But I don't understand either why OP is so concerned about her kid getting in legal trouble. Nobody in authority is threatening that. I don't know how good the school is, but it seems the school wants to take care of her kid and teach him. As for the behavior complaints which are getting worse, all we've done is guess why that might be. OP hasn't given enough detail for us to know what's going on.

_____________________________________________

What would you like to know?


Long story short...my son was ripped from his comfort zone and put into public school. He was then told to do this and that and to do it their way and in their timeframe. Also he has to sit and be quiet. And they expected him to do it with a smile on his face.

When he didn't conform ht did what he knew to do when threatened, he acted out.

So their answer is to file assault charges against these kids?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22901

Sounds like the first step is to demand an IEP under the law known as IDEA. He's disabled, and he's entitled to a Free and Appropriate Public Education in the Least Restrictive Environment that's feasible, as someone already noted in the thread. Google it and/or talk to lawyers who work in the area of school law and/or disability law.

All the good experiences my older son has had have been massively facilitated by the IEP. It gives a lot of protection and a lot of extra resources, at least in my district.

If you keep him home, you're not providing the education (unless you have massive special skills in this area.) Education is important.
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... How would you like to be a child who does not know why something is happening that is so weird, hard to describe, and expect parents to be able to explain it to them, yet either they can't, don't know, or don't care? Autistic people are truly in a world of their own from childbirth on more than one level.

Especially, when teachers, authority figures tell them to 'get with the program.'

Emotional dispair will eventually win out with somebody with no options.

The flip side is, how would you like to be kept out of society, protected from having a real life? Until perhaps the protection isn't there any more and then you're helpless, because you never learned in a protected environment like school.

We don't know that the teachers and authority figures are clueless or heartless. It sounds like the principal is nothing like that, knows that accommodations are needed and is trying to provide them.
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I guess it depends on what you consider a "real life".

I don't want to be part of mainstream society and don't want my kids to be either. You can lead a happy life without being out in the workforce earning oodles of money. We're content to stay at home.
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Well if it's possible to do more than that, that strikes me as cheating in a couple ways. One, it denies you of the experiences you are here in this life to have. And two, it may be more expensive for taxpayers than having you find a way to be productive, which it sounds like you are not.

If everyone else has to be a slave, then so should you. Many aware people are nevertheless unable to escape the rat race.
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But if he holds fast to My refuge, He makes Me his friend; He makes Me his friend. (Isaiah 27:4-5)
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I guess it depends on what you consider a "real life".

I don't want to be part of mainstream society and don't want my kids to be either. You can lead a happy life without being out in the workforce earning oodles of money. We're content to stay at home.

___________________________________________________

Well if it's possible to do more than that, that strikes me as cheating in a couple ways. One, it denies you of the experiences you are here in this life to have. And two, it may be more expensive for taxpayers than having you find a way to be productive, which it sounds like you are not.

If everyone else has to be a slave, then so should you. Many aware people are nevertheless unable to escape the rat race.
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And please note this does not mean you have to be compliant. You or your child can use your perceptions (if the autistic have unusually sharp perceptions about the world) to foster change. But really you have to be out in the environment to do it, it's a bottom-up process. Don't let some abuse at school drive you back in a hole, a comfort zone.

For more than monetary reasons we need you out in the world. Some of the expenses associated with special education are very high, but maybe they're worth it. I know my older child has benefited vastly from it. We're all in this together.
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Just a theory:

Autism is not a disorder but more of a genetic mutation that has arisen from centuries of humans being bloodlined and genetically tampered with in order to be mind controlled. Autistics are resistant to it. I am not just talking about full blown autistics, I am talking about the full spectrum. So other means must be implemented to control them. Sometimes they are tortured, of course more often they are refered to psych agencies that isolate and pigeonhole them away from mainstream (mind controlled) society. In the case of this thread they are being labled as violent and crazy and treated as criminals for reacting to the insanity around them that is a slave existence. Autistics see this very clearly because of the resistance to programming. Many higher functioning autistics get hearded into the new age movement to be programmed and controlled as indigo or crystal children.

Interesting the OP's kid is an autistic. Explains alot.
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accurate
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My son's wife is a teaching assistant, specializing in dealing with autistic kids and she presently handles teen autistics and she cannot even restrain one when they attack her. When they bit, kick and pull her hair she cannot even remove their hands fro her hair, to disengage. She does not even have the benefit of having intervention from another adult in this.

There is a lot lacking in dealing with this .
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Sorry, forgot to add one thing. Those very high expenses are not charged to you. They are the school's cost, or the government's cost, to provide the Free and Appropriate Public Education under IDEA, as defined by the childs Individualized Education Plan (IEP).
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But if he holds fast to My refuge, He makes Me his friend; He makes Me his friend. (Isaiah 27:4-5)
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My son's wife is a teaching assistant, specializing in dealing with autistic kids and she presently handles teen autistics and she cannot even restrain one when they attack her. When they bit, kick and pull her hair she cannot even remove their hands fro her hair, to disengage. She does not even have the benefit of having intervention from another adult in this.

There is a lot lacking in dealing with this .
 Quoting: Mickeyblue

In our school, when special education is provided in a regular classroom, there are two teachers in the room -- a regular classroom teacher, and an aide or special ed teacher.
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DON'T VAX, PROPHYLAX!

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But if he holds fast to My refuge, He makes Me his friend; He makes Me his friend. (Isaiah 27:4-5)
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... How would you like to be a child who does not know why something is happening that is so weird, hard to describe, and expect parents to be able to explain it to them, yet either they can't, don't know, or don't care? Autistic people are truly in a world of their own from childbirth on more than one level.

Especially, when teachers, authority figures tell them to 'get with the program.'

Emotional dispair will eventually win out with somebody with no options.

The flip side is, how would you like to be kept out of society, protected from having a real life? Until perhaps the protection isn't there any more and then you're helpless, because you never learned in a protected environment like school.

We don't know that the teachers and authority figures are clueless or heartless. It sounds like the principal is nothing like that, knows that accommodations are needed and is trying to provide them.
_______________________________________________________

I guess it depends on what you consider a "real life".

I don't want to be part of mainstream society and don't want my kids to be either. You can lead a happy life without being out in the workforce earning oodles of money. We're content to stay at home.

Well if it's possible to do more than that, that strikes me as cheating in a couple ways. One, it denies you of the experiences you are here in this life to have. And two, it may be more expensive for taxpayers than having you find a way to be productive, which it sounds like you are not.

If everyone else has to be a slave, then so should you. Many aware people are nevertheless unable to escape the rat race.
 Quoting: oniongrass


Why would you think that I haven't done my time as a slave in the rat race? Trust me, I haven't been denied ANY of the shit society sees fit to push on people.

Been there, done that!

And DONE with it. I can't change all of society at once so I'll stay away from it as much as I can.
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I guess it depends on what you consider a "real life".

I don't want to be part of mainstream society and don't want my kids to be either. You can lead a happy life without being out in the workforce earning oodles of money. We're content to stay at home.

___________________________________________________

Well if it's possible to do more than that, that strikes me as cheating in a couple ways. One, it denies you of the experiences you are here in this life to have. And two, it may be more expensive for taxpayers than having you find a way to be productive, which it sounds like you are not.

If everyone else has to be a slave, then so should you. Many aware people are nevertheless unable to escape the rat race.

And please note this does not mean you have to be compliant. You or your child can use your perceptions (if the autistic have unusually sharp perceptions about the world) to foster change. But really you have to be out in the environment to do it, it's a bottom-up process. Don't let some abuse at school drive you back in a hole, a comfort zone.

For more than monetary reasons we need you out in the world. Some of the expenses associated with special education are very high, but maybe they're worth it. I know my older child has benefited vastly from it. We're all in this together.
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That's just it...I LIKE my hole, my comfort zone. My kids and I are perfectly content NOT to be out in the rat race.
I don't bother anyone and I don't want to be bothered. But there's always some asshole that can't stand to see me content. They bring their drama where it's NOT wanted.

My kids can't get a better education than what I can give them. And if there's something I don't know then we look it up.
But an "education" without common sense is useless!
That is what I focus on teaching them.
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My son's wife is a teaching assistant, specializing in dealing with autistic kids and she presently handles teen autistics and she cannot even restrain one when they attack her. When they bit, kick and pull her hair she cannot even remove their hands fro her hair, to disengage. She does not even have the benefit of having intervention from another adult in this.

There is a lot lacking in dealing with this .
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Yes there is!
Schools are NOT equipped to handle these kids.
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My son's wife is a teaching assistant, specializing in dealing with autistic kids and she presently handles teen autistics and she cannot even restrain one when they attack her. When they bit, kick and pull her hair she cannot even remove their hands fro her hair, to disengage. She does not even have the benefit of having intervention from another adult in this.

There is a lot lacking in dealing with this .
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I was directed to evacuate one of my MS math classes to an empty room on four seperate occasions due to violent tantrums from a child who was "included" in the GE curriculum. A brilliant mathematician, but would come unglued when he didn't get what he wanted.
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Sorry, forgot to add one thing. Those very high expenses are not charged to you. They are the school's cost, or the government's cost, to provide the Free and Appropriate Public Education under IDEA, as defined by the childs Individualized Education Plan (IEP).
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And just where do you think they get their money from?
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I was directed to evacuate one of my MS math classes to an empty room on four seperate occasions due to violent tantrums from a child who was "included" in the GE curriculum. A brilliant mathematician, but would come unglued when he didn't get what he wanted.
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Yep, you never know what is going to set them off.
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His flashpoint was homework. He saw no point in doing something, again, that he already knew how to do. I see this in a lot of RE kids, my own son, and in a way, I see the point. However, integration into "real" life must, unfortunately, include the ability to perform tasks we don't like, or see the point in doing, without kicking doors and beating on things.
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His flashpoint was homework. He saw no point in doing something, again, that he already knew how to do. I see this in a lot of RE kids, my own son, and in a way, I see the point. However, integration into "real" life must, unfortunately, include the ability to perform tasks we don't like, or see the point in doing, without kicking doors and beating on things.
 Quoting: JustUs

Why didn't you let it slide gracefully, or even better give him some work that interested him? We're like 50th internationally in math education, because we teach our talented kids to warm the seat quietly rather than challenging them to become professionally competent on a world class level. This problem kid is the potential mathematician or physicist in your class. Should you really be turning math class into a power struggle?
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Sorry, forgot to add one thing. Those very high expenses are not charged to you. They are the school's cost, or the government's cost, to provide the Free and Appropriate Public Education under IDEA, as defined by the childs Individualized Education Plan (IEP).



And just where do you think they get their money from?
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Largely from the fed. gov.
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His flashpoint was homework. He saw no point in doing something, again, that he already knew how to do. I see this in a lot of RE kids, my own son, and in a way, I see the point. However, integration into "real" life must, unfortunately, include the ability to perform tasks we don't like, or see the point in doing, without kicking doors and beating on things.
 Quoting: JustUs



^see above post^

You can have a "real" life without being in mainstream society.

The main thing these kids are trying to teach people is to just LEAVE EVERYONE ELSE THE FUCK ALONE!

People everywhere want to run your life for you. The govt, different agencies, etc.

How bout they just leave us the fuck alone and let us live our lives?

That would be too easy wouldn't it?
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His flashpoint was homework. He saw no point in doing something, again, that he already knew how to do. I see this in a lot of RE kids, my own son, and in a way, I see the point. However, integration into "real" life must, unfortunately, include the ability to perform tasks we don't like, or see the point in doing, without kicking doors and beating on things.
______________________________________

Why didn't you let it slide gracefully, or even better give him some work that interested him? We're like 50th internationally in math education, because we teach our talented kids to warm the seat quietly rather than challenging them to become professionally competent on a world class level. This problem kid is the potential mathematician or physicist in your class. Should you really be turning math class into a power struggle?
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And by the way, I can tell you for sure that in the most successful countries, those kids are treated very well. Achievement is above all, and everyone is expected to put up with their idiosyncracies. We have a NCLB mentality that is hammering flat the nails that stick up, and so we are punishing the gifted. We are requiring Ferraris to drive at 20 mph, and punishing them when their carburetors start to malfunction.
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But if he holds fast to My refuge, He makes Me his friend; He makes Me his friend. (Isaiah 27:4-5)
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Sorry, forgot to add one thing. Those very high expenses are not charged to you. They are the school's cost, or the government's cost, to provide the Free and Appropriate Public Education under IDEA, as defined by the childs Individualized Education Plan (IEP).



And just where do you think they get their money from?

Largely from the fed. gov.
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And would you like to guess where they get money from?
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Re: Schools charging AUTISTIC & SPECIAL NEEDS children with ASSAULT!! ????? WTF is wrong with society?
His flashpoint was homework. He saw no point in doing something, again, that he already knew how to do. I see this in a lot of RE kids, my own son, and in a way, I see the point. However, integration into "real" life must, unfortunately, include the ability to perform tasks we don't like, or see the point in doing, without kicking doors and beating on things.

Why didn't you let it slide gracefully, or even better give him some work that interested him? We're like 50th internationally in math education, because we teach our talented kids to warm the seat quietly rather than challenging them to become professionally competent on a world class level. This problem kid is the potential mathematician or physicist in your class. Should you really be turning math class into a power struggle?
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That's the way they handle it at school. If my kid has a meltdown, they empty the room.
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Re: Schools charging AUTISTIC & SPECIAL NEEDS children with ASSAULT!! ????? WTF is wrong with society?
Thats a rhetorical question, right?

If youre here you probably already know.

It is friggin stupid, though.

I think these mentally handicapped kids are smarter than most poli-turds.
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Re: Schools charging AUTISTIC & SPECIAL NEEDS children with ASSAULT!! ????? WTF is wrong with society?
His flashpoint was homework. He saw no point in doing something, again, that he already knew how to do. I see this in a lot of RE kids, my own son, and in a way, I see the point. However, integration into "real" life must, unfortunately, include the ability to perform tasks we don't like, or see the point in doing, without kicking doors and beating on things.

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^see above post^

You can have a "real" life without being in mainstream society.

The main thing these kids are trying to teach people is to just LEAVE EVERYONE ELSE THE FUCK ALONE!

People everywhere want to run your life for you. The govt, different agencies, etc.

How bout they just leave us the fuck alone and let us live our lives?

That would be too easy wouldn't it?
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That potential mathematician is unlikely to fulfill his potential unless his parents know how to teach him, or he is in a school with the needed experts. Many of the parents cannot provide the education. Unless your child is the next Ramanujan, he cannot do it himself, he needs to be taught, and properly schools should provide that education, and kids should be in school.

It's a problem of the schools as well as other things, but many schools do provide positive benefit to many kids. It takes a lot to convince me that a given kid should not be in school.
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Re: Schools charging AUTISTIC & SPECIAL NEEDS children with ASSAULT!! ????? WTF is wrong with society?
His flashpoint was homework. He saw no point in doing something, again, that he already knew how to do. I see this in a lot of RE kids, my own son, and in a way, I see the point. However, integration into "real" life must, unfortunately, include the ability to perform tasks we don't like, or see the point in doing, without kicking doors and beating on things.
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Why didn't you let it slide gracefully, or even better give him some work that interested him? We're like 50th internationally in math education, because we teach our talented kids to warm the seat quietly rather than challenging them to become professionally competent on a world class level. This problem kid is the potential mathematician or physicist in your class. Should you really be turning math class into a power struggle?

And by the way, I can tell you for sure that in the most successful countries, those kids are treated very well. Achievement is above all, and everyone is expected to put up with their idiosyncracies. We have a NCLB mentality that is hammering flat the nails that stick up, and so we are punishing the gifted. We are requiring Ferraris to drive at 20 mph, and punishing them when their carburetors start to malfunction.
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Agreed!

Most are too smart to be in school where they will be dumbed down.





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