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Schools charging AUTISTIC & SPECIAL NEEDS children with ASSAULT!! ????? WTF is wrong with society?

 
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My son's behavior has become sooooo much WORSE since he started school. He is much more angry and aggressive and it's making life at home a living hell!


I don't know what to say. I know the reality. I just try to get through one day at a time and treasure any quiet time with my sons as an unexpected gift.
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Unfortunately, there isn't much "quiet time" anymore.

All aspects of his behavior have gotten so much worse. He even ran off from my husband's house twice while they were on break at Thanksgiving. I hate having to let him go there because I know my husband doesn't watch him like he should. He keeps loaded guns readily available. I swear I am a nervous wreck all the time because I know something is bound to happen, it's just a matter of time.
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The Illuminati Poison CHildren's Brains, then charge them with Assault, then send Mind Control Waves into GLP Posters so that the posters reply "Your son deserves it"

Reformatted:

Step 1) The Illuminati Poison Childrens Brains

Step 2) They then charge those children with assult

Step 3) They use Mind Control to cause GLP Posters to reply and say: "This is good, your son should have been charged, it was justified"

Step 4) Repeat, go back to step 1.

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I know. The last wave of "special" kids were targeted heavily because of what they can do and how psychic they are. That is the entire reason why autism affects so many children now. They had to snuff their abilities as soon as they were born. What's the best way? Vaccines!
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If he has to be in school ask for a aid to work with him.The school district should provide someone to work directly with him.He will still be in the mainstream class room but someone will be there to help him in case of overstimulation.If he has needs because of his Autism the school should provide that help.Or if possible tell the school you will come in as a classroom helper.
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I hope your son will be able to be safe with you where he belongs, Mom. hf
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Thanks, I'm praying for that too! hf
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Anyone have any personal experiences to share?


My autistic nephew is over 21 and occasionally "goes off" in public places, supermarkets, etc. and kicks people who have nothing to do with whoever was with him and triggered the upset (he has 24/7 supervision). He has been charged with assault (justifiedly so, I believe...) at least 3 times and my sister's attorney always gets him off on grounds that he is disabled and the behavior is part of his disability.

I doubt that you can accomplish anything like that outside of school without a lawyer, but there should be some kind of advocate within the school system who could prevent assault charges within a school by reminding administrators of the law.



Apparently the law doesn't care if the person is handicapped or has a mental disorder.
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No, it doesn't. Your kid is just another source of income to them.

What you see as an injustice, or just out and out stupidity, "the system" sees as job security.
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Does your little menace to society have Oppositional Defiant Disorder?
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Public schools are NOT equipped to handle kids like this and in fact it's the WORST place you could put them. Everything that triggers them is there.
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Really? So a high functioning child who is academically ahead of his typical peers, who more or less just has problems socializing, should get stuck with quite probably LOWER FUNCTIONING children? What could my son possibly get from that?
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If he has to be in school ask for a aid to work with him.The school district should provide someone to work directly with him.He will still be in the mainstream class room but someone will be there to help him in case of overstimulation.If he has needs because of his Autism the school should provide that help.Or if possible tell the school you will come in as a classroom helper.
 Quoting: Goram



He has someone with him at all times.

They ripped him out of his comfort zone and threw him into a classroom in a public school...and they didn't expect him to act out?

Then they punish him for doing what he knows to do when threatened.
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it's not their fault that high levels of mercury in vaccines caused their autism in the first place

and now they are being arrested for being the way they are because of the society?

yep seems logical to me!

don't want them to be angry?

stop poisoning everything!
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No, it doesn't. Your kid is just another source of income to them.

What you see as an injustice, or just out and out stupidity, "the system" sees as job security.
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That occured to me yesterday...he's just more money to them.
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Does your little menace to society have Oppositional Defiant Disorder?
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How bout you THINK before you open your mouth?
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Public schools are NOT equipped to handle kids like this and in fact it's the WORST place you could put them. Everything that triggers them is there.


Really? So a high functioning child who is academically ahead of his typical peers, who more or less just has problems socializing, should get stuck with quite probably LOWER FUNCTIONING children? What could my son possibly get from that?
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Well who else would they put him with?

The majority of society are "lower functioning".
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it's not their fault that high levels of mercury in vaccines caused their autism in the first place

and now they are being arrested for being the way they are because of the society?

yep seems logical to me!

don't want them to be angry?

stop poisoning everything!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1183967



Well said!


But society has always treated people who were different that way. Why should they have to deal with what they created? The time has come to be responsible for your creations. I see the autistic children as a blessing!
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The Illuminati Poison CHildren's Brains, then charge them with Assault, then send Mind Control Waves into GLP Posters so that the posters reply "Your son deserves it"

Reformatted:

Step 1) The Illuminati Poison Childrens Brains

Step 2) They then charge those children with assult

Step 3) They use Mind Control to cause GLP Posters to reply and say: "This is good, your son should have been charged, it was justified"

Step 4) Repeat, go back to step 1.




I know. The last wave of "special" kids were targeted heavily because of what they can do and how psychic they are. That is the entire reason why autism affects so many children now. They had to snuff their abilities as soon as they were born. What's the best way? Vaccines!
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Yep, they are afraid of the star children

So they have been purposely poisoning and targeting the last 3 generations

hence, the increase in "autism"

these children know they are capable of much more and when they realize their entrance to this world was "sabotage" they act out in frustration

being charged with assault for being poisoned as a child by the very same system forcing them to attend public schools?

yep, you got a bunch of satanists and sadists running the show

it seems they have infiltrated all aspects of power and control in our current society
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The Illuminati Poison CHildren's Brains, then charge them with Assault, then send Mind Control Waves into GLP Posters so that the posters reply "Your son deserves it"

Reformatted:

Step 1) The Illuminati Poison Childrens Brains

Step 2) They then charge those children with assult

Step 3) They use Mind Control to cause GLP Posters to reply and say: "This is good, your son should have been charged, it was justified"

Step 4) Repeat, go back to step 1.




I know. The last wave of "special" kids were targeted heavily because of what they can do and how psychic they are. That is the entire reason why autism affects so many children now. They had to snuff their abilities as soon as they were born. What's the best way? Vaccines!


Yep, they are afraid of the star children

So they have been purposely poisoning and targeting the last 3 generations

hence, the increase in "autism"

these children know they are capable of much more and when they realize their entrance to this world was "sabotage" they act out in frustration

being charged with assault for being poisoned as a child by the very same system forcing them to attend public schools?

yep, you got a bunch of satanists and sadists running the show

it seems they have infiltrated all aspects of power and control in our current society
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Yep and I can't wait to see them all go down!
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system has been so corrupted

bad is good, lies is truth and the innocent are guilty

god bless amerikkka

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Normal children have SPECIAL NEEDS too, like the need to be protected from violence. Hard as it may be for you to understand, other people do not want THEIR children to be beaten, kicked and spat on on a daily basis during their entire school life, just because their children had the bad luck to get stuck in the same class as your "special" son.

You and your ex should move him to a special school properly equipped to take care of him. Non-special schools are for non-special children, AKA children that can function reasonably normally in a group.

Your son can't do this! He's AUTISTIC for crying out loud! He CAN NOT function in a big group, period! WTF is he doing in a normal school class?!! The only thing that will happen, is that he will ruin the classroom situation completely for everyone.

As an autist, he needs a very controlled and calm environment, where his many convoluted personal routines are undisturbed, and where the teachers have lots of time to spend one-on-one with him. This is NOT the case in a normal school class, so STFU about the teachers not taking proper care of him, or not having the proper "training"! A class teacher CAN'T spend 80 % of the time making sure your son isn't running amok, they have 25 other kids to care for as well! Have you even thought about that?

When people charge these kids with assault, it's simply a desperate attempt to get them out of the way, so the OTHER 25 kids in the class won't have to live in a constant nightmare.

Put him in a suitable school form yourself BEFORE all the other parents have had enough and call on the government to intervene.
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Let me explain. In America the school system is trending the special needs kids into regular classrooms and laying off special ed teachers. Special Ed teachers are expensive and the class sizes are mandated to be small. You can see it is all about the money.

My nephew is an autistic child. Last year the Special Ed teacher notified my niece that he would be one of the few kids to remain in a special ed class next year. She said that due to budgetary cuts in Louisiana, the higher functioning kids would be placed in regular classrooms. My nephew is not higher functioning, so he remained in a special ed class this year.

Your comments above made it sound like the parents put him in regular school avoiding a special school. There are mainly very very expensive private special schools, or your kid gets put in regular public school here in America. There are some special needs classrooms, but far less now that ever before because for 10 years they have increased mainstreaming them into regular classes. Even the ones whom stay in special ed classes often go to P.E., Art, Music, and Gym with regular classes already.

When this was first implemented, teachers were given aids to help them with the special needs in the classroom. Well, of course now with budget cuts, the aids have been let go. Many teachers are at their wits end with trying to manage the classroom. I feel it is unfair to the special needs kid as well as unfair to the regular kids due to many class disruptions that take place.
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No. Kids like this need to be in a different type of class, with a "shadow", assistant. My nephew supposedly has Asbergers... ( I think it's just my sister in law trying to get money from the county for him).. anyway. He is in a smaller classroom, and has a shadow. They are special needs kids, and should not be in regular classrooms.

It's known OP. But I'm in Los Angeles, where provisions for special needs kids are met, and there are programs galore, and classrooms galore for them.
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[link to www.helium.com]

Consider all others within the same classroom that has disabled students, most cases there are more than one special needs student occupying desks in the classroom, sometimes more than a few. When disabled students are emotionally and socially unable to refrain from behaviors that warrant constant attention from the teacher, others in the classroom suffer. When teachers try to teach bell to bell and manage behaviors that are age specific to the grade level, time on task becomes an issue for all concerned. Mandates from the state call for specific standards to be taught, causing all students to lose the ability to make yearly gains. The pressures that come with these mandates bring more questions about appropriate placement for disabled students.
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You know what is pathetic and sad? That some of these special needs kids can benefit greatly from neuro-typical children, yet some of you assholes want them to stick with their kind and pretty much be the "retards" you assume them to be. Forget the fact that my son has just as much to learn from his typical peers as they can learn from him.

Maybe I should just keep my son and his big sister apart? Surely there's no reason for her to learn that everybody is unique in their own way; that every person (typical or not) has their "handicap"; that just because her brother has Autism, doesn't mean he can't accomplish something great with his life, or perhaps even have a family of his own one day.

Some of these kids will NOT benefit from a typical learning environment. I get that. Some of these kids with Autism will never be able to function well in society. But others can and will. The proper therapy started at an early age does WONDERS for many of these kids.

I'm fucking tired of people who assume that AUTISM = FAIL.
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No. Kids like this need to be in a different type of class, with a "shadow", assistant. My nephew supposedly has Asbergers... ( I think it's just my sister in law trying to get money from the county for him).. anyway. He is in a smaller classroom, and has a shadow. They are special needs kids, and should not be in regular classrooms.

It's known OP. But I'm in Los Angeles, where provisions for special needs kids are met, and there are programs galore, and classrooms galore for them.
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You also live in a larger city where more programs are available. I live in the country away from any major cities.

He's in a special ed class and has a shadow but the schools are really NOT equipped for these kids. Also it became discrimination that these kids were not part of the normal classrooms. That is why they have been integrating them in with the other kids.

"Special" schools are discriminatory also.


Society is majorly fucked up!!
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You know what is pathetic and sad? That some of these special needs kids can benefit greatly from neuro-typical children, yet some of you assholes want them to stick with their kind and pretty much be the "retards" you assume them to be. Forget the fact that my son has just as much to learn from his typical peers as they can learn from him.

Maybe I should just keep my son and his big sister apart? Surely there's no reason for her to learn that everybody is unique in their own way; that every person (typical or not) has their "handicap"; that just because her brother has Autism, doesn't mean he can't accomplish something great with his life, or perhaps even have a family of his own one day.

Some of these kids will NOT benefit from a typical learning environment. I get that. Some of these kids with Autism will never be able to function well in society. But others can and will. The proper therapy started at an early age does WONDERS for many of these kids.

I'm fucking tired of people who assume that AUTISM = FAIL.
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Nobody is assuming that. My child is MUCH more intelligent than most of his peers. That's the main reason I don't want him in public school, I don't want him "dumbed down" like the majority.

Maybe you should stop drinking the water?
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You know what is pathetic and sad? That some of these special needs kids can benefit greatly from neuro-typical children, yet some of you assholes want them to stick with their kind and pretty much be the "retards" you assume them to be. Forget the fact that my son has just as much to learn from his typical peers as they can learn from him.

Maybe I should just keep my son and his big sister apart? Surely there's no reason for her to learn that everybody is unique in their own way; that every person (typical or not) has their "handicap"; that just because her brother has Autism, doesn't mean he can't accomplish something great with his life, or perhaps even have a family of his own one day.

Some of these kids will NOT benefit from a typical learning environment. I get that. Some of these kids with Autism will never be able to function well in society. But others can and will. The proper therapy started at an early age does WONDERS for many of these kids.

I'm fucking tired of people who assume that AUTISM = FAIL.


Nobody is assuming that. My child is MUCH more intelligent than most of his peers. That's the main reason I don't want him in public school, I don't want him "dumbed down" like the majority.

Maybe you should stop drinking the water?
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My nephew is smarter then the average bear too.
He is 9. I seriously think for HIM.. I'm not lumping him in, with everyone else, but he is an only child... and very spoiled beyond belief. Sooo, he acts up when he doesnt get what he wants. But he has been conditioned for this behavior by his parents. When his grandmother asked him what he wanted for his birthday next week, he asked if it could be expensive. She said how expensive, he said 200.
I love my nephew, but he does not have asbergers. He is just a product of bad parenting, and a mother who refuses to believe that they created the monster, and was looking for a reason for him acting out. So the doctors came up with asbergers probably so she would leave them alone. And now they get money from the government for him every month, and as long as they continue to buy him all the expensive toys he wants, then he is happy. This is not a joke.

I truely believe Asbergers is a made up diagnosis for parents who refuse to believe they are terrible parents and nothing more.
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I wonder how much of mainstream society knows this is happening?


I also wonder how many of them would care?
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I truely believe Asbergers is a made up diagnosis for parents who refuse to believe they are terrible parents and nothing more.
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Some people do abuse the system.

There will always be people who claim what they can to get what they want.

I have never been one of those people and never want to be.

And yep there are some shitty parents in this society! They love to blame others for what they have done. I married one of them.

But according to the "experts", everything is a mental disorder now. You can't even get angry now because it's a mental disorder.
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Special Ed kids need to learn to control their behavior just as other kids do....maybe more so than other kids. Isolating an autistic child from other kids will not do your kid any good later in life. He has to learn how to function around other people in a civilized manner or you face a lifetime of visiting him in prison when he is an adult.

If your kid is having such violent outbursts now at 10, what is he going to be like during the nightmare of his puberty years? If he can't learn to control himself by then he could be raping girls or brutalizing boys.

Sure it is hard, but those around a kid who lashes out and assaults them have a special need of not being beaten up by your kid.

Far too many special ed parents over-indulge their kids at home and those kids then expect everyone else to tolerate their behaviors and tantrums outside the home.

That said, the law does say that if the local school is an inappropriate placement, the local school district has to provide an alternative school specifically designed to teach children with that particular problem. It may have to be a boarding school or perhaps in another county, but there is someplace the school district can send your kid where he can be accomodated.

Kids who are only mildly autistic can do well in a mainstreamed program. Kids who are severely autistic need to have their own self-contained programs or schools both for their protection and the protection of others.

There are places available. You need to get a special ed child advocate to work with the school district to find one.
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Special Ed kids need to learn to control their behavior just as other kids do....maybe more so than other kids. Isolating an autistic child from other kids will not do your kid any good later in life. He has to learn how to function around other people in a civilized manner or you face a lifetime of visiting him in prison when he is an adult.

If your kid is having such violent outbursts now at 10, what is he going to be like during the nightmare of his puberty years? If he can't learn to control himself by then he could be raping girls or brutalizing boys.

Sure it is hard, but those around a kid who lashes out and assaults them have a special need of not being beaten up by your kid.

Far too many special ed parents over-indulge their kids at home and those kids then expect everyone else to tolerate their behaviors and tantrums outside the home.

That said, the law does say that if the local school is an inappropriate placement, the local school district has to provide an alternative school specifically designed to teach children with that particular problem. It may have to be a boarding school or perhaps in another county, but there is someplace the school district can send your kid where he can be accomodated.

Kids who are only mildly autistic can do well in a mainstreamed program. Kids who are severely autistic need to have their own self-contained programs or schools both for their protection and the protection of others.

There are places available. You need to get a special ed child advocate to work with the school district to find one.
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I understand where you're coming from but there's only so much you can do with an autistic child. They know it's not ok to run into the street, but that doesn't stop them from doing it. Same applies to their violent outbursts.

Any suggestions you have on how to make something stick with an autistic child would be greatly appreciated.
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Oh and in case you haven't noticed, most "normal" adults haven't learned to control themselves either.

An adult about to cheat on a spouse knows it's wrong, yet does it anyway.

An adult consuming mass quantities of alcohol knows it's wrong and that they will have to suffer for their actions, yet they do it anyway.

An adult about to feast on a huge platter of bbq pork ribs knows it's bad for his health and his cholesterol, yet happily does it anyway every Saturday night at the all~you~can~eat bbq joint.

An adult smoking a pack of cigarettes per day knows the dangers of smoking, and the life threatening health issues he WILL endure if he keeps smoking, yet he keeps on puffin!


See my point?
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