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Melodye

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Some sick, sick people in this world. Here's another.

FATHER PLEADS GUILTY TO THROWING 3-YO SON OFF BRIDGE

He was the most helpless of victims. A 3-year-old toddler was last held by his father and dropped off the Francis Key Bridge. Now Stephen Nelson has pleaded guilty to his son's death.


And another

2 YEAR OLD DIES AFTER GRANDMOTHER THROWS HER OFF A SKYWALK

A 2-year-old child has died after police say she was thrown 50 feet to the ground from a skywalk at an area mall, and the child's grandmother has been charged with her death.

 Quoting: MelkatMom


[link to www.theage.com.au]

Same thing happened her a few years ago. Sick fucks throwing children to their deaths. And a grandmother?! WTF?

They've spent the last few years building a barrier along the bridge. Too little, too late. They say there is a suicide a week on that bridge, they should have done it years ago.
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High probability father killed children.




Psycho dad probably wanted to be free.

Where is mom and I wonder why she did not have her kids?
 Quoting: ladyarwen 1084880

The father had visitation. The mother, however, is a registered sex offender because of an incident in...I forget, 1998? Before the children were born. It involved sex with a 14 yr. old, I believe.

Sad that it has to be a toss up on which parent is least harmful to a child.
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Psycho dad probably wanted to be free.

Where is mom and I wonder why she did not have her kids?
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Mom was waiting for her children to be returned, after the children went on a holiday visit to spend Thanksgiving with their father. The visitation was probably court ordered, along with the child support, and the schedule set. This happens all the time in family courts: child custody determined, child support ordered, and visitation schedule set. Generally, the non-custodial parent gets every other weekend, every other holiday, and 2 weeks during the summer; that's the way I've known it for over 20 years.

I was the custodial parent, and I damn near had to FORCE visitation. The reason for this wasn't due to the father, but for his mother (grandmother) and brothers & sisters (aunts & uncles), so my daughter knew the other side of her family. Her dad isn't part of her life, by HIS choice...and owes over $40,000 in back child support which I believe he should have to pay directly to our daughter, since she is 20 years old and has a child of her own to support.

Mom is probably beside herself, and I pray she has a great support network around her during this time.
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Psycho dad probably wanted to be free.

Where is mom and I wonder why she did not have her kids?

The father had visitation. The mother, however, is a registered sex offender because of an incident in...I forget, 1998? Before the children were born. It involved sex with a 14 yr. old, I believe.

Sad that it has to be a toss up on which parent is least harmful to a child.
 Quoting: Nine's



That's really fucked up!!!
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High probability father killed children.




Psycho dad probably wanted to be free.

Where is mom and I wonder why she did not have her kids?

The father had visitation. The mother, however, is a registered sex offender because of an incident in...I forget, 1998? Before the children were born. It involved sex with a 14 yr. old, I believe.

Sad that it has to be a toss up on which parent is least harmful to a child.
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Can you let us know where you found this info please?
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Can you let us know where you found this info please?
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Yes, I'll find it. Give me a few min.
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Those poor darlings I hope and pray they are found some where safe. As for the parents no words...for animals are better parents then some humans.
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Can you let us know where you found this info please?

Yes, I'll find it. Give me a few min.
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Never mind Nine's, I found it, thanks.

It's an AP article posted on TBO.com

This fricking sue-happy bullshit about linking to news articles really sucks! So if anyone wants it, go to TBO.com to find it. The headline reads "Father of missing Mich. boys had lost job, custody"
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Can you let us know where you found this info please?

Yes, I'll find it. Give me a few min.



Never mind Nine's, I found it, thanks.

It's an AP article posted on TBO.com

This fricking sue-happy bullshit about linking to news articles really sucks! So if anyone wants it, go to TBO.com to find it. The headline reads "Father of missing Mich. boys had lost job, custody"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1148234

Thanks for letting me know. Here's another.
[link to www.wxyz.com]
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Can you let us know where you found this info please?

Yes, I'll find it. Give me a few min.



Never mind Nine's, I found it, thanks.

It's an AP article posted on TBO.com

This fricking sue-happy bullshit about linking to news articles really sucks! So if anyone wants it, go to TBO.com to find it. The headline reads "Father of missing Mich. boys had lost job, custody"

Thanks for letting me know. Here's another.
[link to www.wxyz.com]
 Quoting: Nine's



Thanks Nine's.

The real sad thing about this is, now people will be focusing on something she did 12 years ago, rather than on the present and the important issue of those 3 boys.

We all make mistakes in life, and she made a very big one at the age of 32. She should have known better, and I'm sure she's had to pay the price of being labeled a pedophile, and now she's paying the price of it all coming to light again, while suffering the uncertainty of her children's well being.

I'm just sick over it all!
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I hope they find them safe, sound and SOON.
hf


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I worry more that they will live a lifetime disturbed and confused about this shit...



Do you ever do anything with your life but post bs 24/7?




So, what have you done?
 Quoting: BRIEF AND TO THE POINT


He called you on your bullshit. So he is up a point.

Zero to One you lose.
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I hope they find them safe, sound and SOON.
hf


+1


I worry more that they will live a lifetime disturbed and confused about this shit...



Do you ever do anything with your life but post bs 24/7?




So, what have you done?


He called you on your bullshit. So he is up a point.

Zero to One you lose.
 Quoting: Woo Isme 1145117



If you are directing that at me, I spend tons of time with my family...
Poor people do poor people things, and rich people do rich people things.

You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.

What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.

The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.

When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is the beginning of the end of any nation.

You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!

when you rob Paul to give to Peter ... ... ... you will always get Peters support!

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Thats your opinion, and thats your right to have.

Your saying, "There are things you don't have to experience when you have values..."

But does that mean it is the purpose of life? or can there be some other way?, like learning every situation, like i said, you can not judge a person if you havent experienced the same.

You've probably experienced some situation when you had an appointment and you had it all in your head what it was gonna be like, but then at the moment when you were at the appointment it was totally diffrent, am i right?



I'm saying that if you know right from wrong, you let your morals and values guide you when you are having problems...If you have a basic core of beliefs, they make the foundation of your decisions rather than flying by your emotions...


Yes but what if you place the following line in between: Life is a school for us to learn.

What if that "soul" hasnt ever experienced commiting suicide and chose to experience it in this life?

Doesnt it add up to you then ?

We all learn from eachother, we need eachother.

Think about life as 1's and 0's, in this situation you are the 1 and i am the 0. wouldnt it be amazing if we could bring those 1's and 0's together? we would experience how amazing life is then. it's a circle at this point, just going round and round.


Admitting something somebody tells a person is tough, but hé, look at wich point we start at: We need to learn to listen and admit if someone else says something.

It was nice having a a chat with you, i'm off to bed. bye all.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1138051


Hey netherlands, are you still here or did your bleeding heart finally make you too weak to post?

And since you do want so badly to prove that you do, in fact, have a heart, why don't you stop and think about what the fuck you are saying.

You are being an advocate for a man who tried to commit suicide. Fine. Why haven't you said ONE word about the fact that this man's KIDS ARE FUCKING MISSING????????????
Goodbye, halcyon days...

 There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable.

There is another theory mentioned, which states that this has already happened.
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And another thing, Netherlands. Before you answer me, take a GOOD look at what is at stake here ok?

:missingkids:

From left to right: Alexander (age 7), Andrew (age 9), and the baby - Tanner (age 5)

These little boys are MISSING. Their father (the man whom you are determined to excuse) is DIRECTLY involved with their disappearance.

Pay attention Netherlands. You take a very close look at those children before you say another word of support about this man.
Goodbye, halcyon days...

 There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable.

There is another theory mentioned, which states that this has already happened.
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And another thing, Netherlands. Before you answer me, take a GOOD look at what is at stake here ok?

:missingkids:

From left to right: Alexander (age 7), Andrew (age 9), and the baby - Tanner (age 5)

These little boys are MISSING. Their father (the man whom you are determined to excuse) is DIRECTLY involved with their disappearance.

Pay attention Netherlands. You take a very close look at those children before you say another word of support about this man.
 Quoting: Only Me


Honey, this Netherlands idiot would argue that the kids needed to learn the lesson of being betrayed and abused by their father...fuck'n sick bastard...
Poor people do poor people things, and rich people do rich people things.

You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.

What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.

The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.

When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is the beginning of the end of any nation.

You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!

when you rob Paul to give to Peter ... ... ... you will always get Peters support!

:Brieffromnativea:
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And another thing, Netherlands. Before you answer me, take a GOOD look at what is at stake here ok?

:missingkids:

From left to right: Alexander (age 7), Andrew (age 9), and the baby - Tanner (age 5)

These little boys are MISSING. Their father (the man whom you are determined to excuse) is DIRECTLY involved with their disappearance.

Pay attention Netherlands. You take a very close look at those children before you say another word of support about this man.


Honey, this Netherlands idiot would argue that the kids needed to learn the lesson of being betrayed and abused by their father...fuck'n sick bastard...
 Quoting: BRIEF AND TO THE POINT



I know but I am seriously furious at that POS.

ETA: I mean I seriously read every single post he made in this thread before I said a word because I kept waiting to see what he would say about the boys, and he said nothing. It's like to him, the most important part of this whole thing doesn't even exist.

Last Edited by Only Me on 11/30/2010 09:24 PM
Goodbye, halcyon days...

 There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable.

There is another theory mentioned, which states that this has already happened.
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High probability father killed children.



I know...that's what is pissing me off...coward SOB!! Either way...

Abandoning his kids, or killing them...what's the fuck'n difference really?
 Quoting: BRIEF AND TO THE POINT



+1
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I know...that's what is pissing me off...coward SOB!! Either way...

Abandoning his kids, or killing them...what's the fuck'n difference really?



+1
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Goodbye, halcyon days...

 There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable.

There is another theory mentioned, which states that this has already happened.
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Sadly you are probably right.
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Thanks Nine's.

The real sad thing about this is, now people will be focusing on something she did 12 years ago, rather than on the present and the important issue of those 3 boys.

We all make mistakes in life, and she made a very big one at the age of 32. She should have known better, and I'm sure she's had to pay the price of being labeled a pedophile, and now she's paying the price of it all coming to light again, while suffering the uncertainty of her children's well being.

I'm just sick over it all!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1148234

You're very welcome. Agree with what you say, which is why I didn't mention it earlier. Only a matter of time though, and it's going to come out anyway. Sad situation all the way around.
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Sadly you are probably right.
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Yeah...if this woman joann existed, they'd already have her in custody.

My guess? This guy cracked under the pressure of divorce and knowing he was going to have to pay child support for three children when he couldn't afford it, so instead of trying to find help or save his marriage, he chose the pussy way out.

Problem is, seems like lately, dads who want to end their lives take their children with them. I'm not sure why, unless they have literally become so disassociated with the real world that they think they have to take their children with them because they think their kids don't have a chance in life without them. They are out of their minds, basically.

My guess is that he found the courage to kill his three boys but when it came down to it, he was too big a coward to off himself properly, so he's gonna try and go with an insanity plea so he can spend the rest of his life medicated and in a comfy psych ward.
Goodbye, halcyon days...

 There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable.

There is another theory mentioned, which states that this has already happened.
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Sadly you are probably right.



Yeah...if this woman joann existed, they'd already have her in custody.

My guess? This guy cracked under the pressure of divorce and knowing he was going to have to pay child support for three children when he couldn't afford it, so instead of trying to find help or save his marriage, he chose the pussy way out.

Problem is, seems like lately, dads who want to end their lives take their children with them. I'm not sure why, unless they have literally become so disassociated with the real world that they think they have to take their children with them because they think their kids don't have a chance in life without them. They are out of their minds, basically.

My guess is that he found the courage to kill his three boys but when it came down to it, he was too big a coward to off himself properly, so he's gonna try and go with an insanity plea so he can spend the rest of his life medicated and in a comfy psych ward.
 Quoting: Only Me



Close to what I was thinking but, maybe he, in a twisted way, thought that he was saving his kids a lifetime of pain knowing that their "dad" killed himself, by killing them...thereby sparing them the pain...and maybe at the same time punishing the mom for the rest of her life...
Poor people do poor people things, and rich people do rich people things.

You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.

What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.

The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.

When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is the beginning of the end of any nation.

You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!

when you rob Paul to give to Peter ... ... ... you will always get Peters support!

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Sadly you are probably right.



Yeah...if this woman joann existed, they'd already have her in custody.

My guess? This guy cracked under the pressure of divorce and knowing he was going to have to pay child support for three children when he couldn't afford it, so instead of trying to find help or save his marriage, he chose the pussy way out.

Problem is, seems like lately, dads who want to end their lives take their children with them. I'm not sure why, unless they have literally become so disassociated with the real world that they think they have to take their children with them because they think their kids don't have a chance in life without them. They are out of their minds, basically.

My guess is that he found the courage to kill his three boys but when it came down to it, he was too big a coward to off himself properly, so he's gonna try and go with an insanity plea so he can spend the rest of his life medicated and in a comfy psych ward.



Close to what I was thinking but, maybe he, in a twisted way, thought that he was saving his kids a lifetime of pain knowing that their "dad" killed himself, by killing them...thereby sparing them the pain...and maybe at the same time punishing the mom for the rest of her life...
 Quoting: BRIEF AND TO THE POINT



well yes, that's what i mean.

still think it's flat selfish and evil.
Goodbye, halcyon days...

 There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable.

There is another theory mentioned, which states that this has already happened.
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What the hell is wrong with people?



Selfish...


I'd say desperate. Many animals will kill their young when they know the range won't support them. Humans are animals. It's not much of a reach (and I'm not trying to justify, just explain.)
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Yes, I am crying as I write this, as the mom of two young boys...but as a social scientist and anthropologist, I know that infanticide is an ancient and cross-cultural tragedy that is always tied to the economic viability of having children, or additional children (because virtually all parents love and want their babies, if they feel that they can sustain them without losing their existing children). So maybe there is some feral part of the human brain even in Western cultures that is capable of killing one's young? Especially when it seems that they can't be cared for? I dunno but I pray for those beautiful babies.
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Sadly you are probably right.



Yeah...if this woman joann existed, they'd already have her in custody.

My guess? This guy cracked under the pressure of divorce and knowing he was going to have to pay child support for three children when he couldn't afford it, so instead of trying to find help or save his marriage, he chose the pussy way out.

Problem is, seems like lately, dads who want to end their lives take their children with them. I'm not sure why, unless they have literally become so disassociated with the real world that they think they have to take their children with them because they think their kids don't have a chance in life without them. They are out of their minds, basically.

My guess is that he found the courage to kill his three boys but when it came down to it, he was too big a coward to off himself properly, so he's gonna try and go with an insanity plea so he can spend the rest of his life medicated and in a comfy psych ward.



Close to what I was thinking but, maybe he, in a twisted way, thought that he was saving his kids a lifetime of pain knowing that their "dad" killed himself, by killing them...thereby sparing them the pain...and maybe at the same time punishing the mom for the rest of her life...



well yes, that's what i mean.

still think it's flat selfish and evil.
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True, this is probably mostly about punishing the ex-wife....so sad.
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True, this is probably mostly about punishing the ex-wife....so sad.
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While that's probably part of it, my guess is he is just too selfish to pay child support.
Goodbye, halcyon days...

 There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable.

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Thats your opinion, and thats your right to have.

Your saying, "There are things you don't have to experience when you have values..."

But does that mean it is the purpose of life? or can there be some other way?, like learning every situation, like i said, you can not judge a person if you havent experienced the same.

You've probably experienced some situation when you had an appointment and you had it all in your head what it was gonna be like, but then at the moment when you were at the appointment it was totally diffrent, am i right?



I'm saying that if you know right from wrong, you let your morals and values guide you when you are having problems...If you have a basic core of beliefs, they make the foundation of your decisions rather than flying by your emotions...


Yes but what if you place the following line in between: Life is a school for us to learn.

What if that "soul" hasnt ever experienced commiting suicide and chose to experience it in this life?

Doesnt it add up to you then ?

We all learn from eachother, we need eachother.

Think about life as 1's and 0's, in this situation you are the 1 and i am the 0. wouldnt it be amazing if we could bring those 1's and 0's together? we would experience how amazing life is then. it's a circle at this point, just going round and round.



No, because you are giving yourself an excuse to do whatever you want with no responsibility or accountability...that's evil my friend...

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Well said.
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Thats your opinion, and thats your right to have.

Your saying, "There are things you don't have to experience when you have values..."

But does that mean it is the purpose of life? or can there be some other way?, like learning every situation, like i said, you can not judge a person if you havent experienced the same.

You've probably experienced some situation when you had an appointment and you had it all in your head what it was gonna be like, but then at the moment when you were at the appointment it was totally diffrent, am i right?



I'm saying that if you know right from wrong, you let your morals and values guide you when you are having problems...If you have a basic core of beliefs, they make the foundation of your decisions rather than flying by your emotions...


Yes but what if you place the following line in between: Life is a school for us to learn.

What if that "soul" hasnt ever experienced commiting suicide and chose to experience it in this life?

Doesnt it add up to you then ?

We all learn from eachother, we need eachother.

Think about life as 1's and 0's, in this situation you are the 1 and i am the 0. wouldnt it be amazing if we could bring those 1's and 0's together? we would experience how amazing life is then. it's a circle at this point, just going round and round.



No, because you are giving yourself an excuse to do whatever you want with no responsibility or accountability...that's evil my friend...


Well said.
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Thanks, but I have debated Satan before...He always pretends to care about some "poor and innocent" soul...please never be fooled...
Poor people do poor people things, and rich people do rich people things.

You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.

What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.

The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.

When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is the beginning of the end of any nation.

You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!

when you rob Paul to give to Peter ... ... ... you will always get Peters support!

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Same John Doe that I think you are bro?
Poor people do poor people things, and rich people do rich people things.

You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.

What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.

The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.

When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is the beginning of the end of any nation.

You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!

when you rob Paul to give to Peter ... ... ... you will always get Peters support!

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GLP