Neuronics: The future of humanity (Humanity without physicality)

With only 10% of our bodies being human and 90% being microbes and bacteria and such, what is it that identifies itself as "I"? What is it that motivates all of these trillions of cells to call themselves, in concert, "me"?

After becoming non-physical, what then happens to the "I"? Will there still be an "I"? A "me"?

Well, let me ask you this.

Do you think physicality is an illusion?

Different flavors...or different states of awareness? In a dream, we may think nothing of flying through the clouds and then plunging to the bottom of the ocean. In a daydream, we may wander off pondering mathematical equations and quantum entanglements. In another state, we may feel anxious about cleaning the house for company that is about to arrive.

Why the huge differences in awareness? Is it because there are multiple awarenesses within us? It feels like we are each an individual, but are we?

Sounds like you are offering an interesting proposition O.P. It has been my own position that "Aliens" are in fact non-physical beings and that is why the "physical proof" that skeptics demand is not consistent with the nature of their reality.

These skeptics are demanding: "Show us the evidence how these unknown entities (if in fact they exist)are variations on the human physical theme!"

I too see physical forms as not being compulsory as vessels for consciousness and have thought that other lifeforms in the universe which were once physical have evolved into non-physical lifeforms.

Whether this is true or not I cannot say, but I will say: to consider the proposition that it is possible, is a gateway for humans to evolving into non-physical creatures themselves.

Good question ;)

Basically, we are not human.

"I" includes all these other life forms.

We think their thoughts and feel their feelings along with "ours".

The cells do not think of themcells as a single entity any more than your mouth does.

Your mouth has its own genome and would be considered 'conscious' but would not say "I" or "me".

Those terms (I, me) are our own ideas or interpretation of reality.

We perceive that which is most relative to us and say ."that is me".

The cells realize it is part of another whole (YOU) as much as realize that you are.



You are already non-physical.

Physicality does not actually exist.

But to answer your question, the "I" will still be there. It'll just be a different you. You'll still remember your childhood and your favorite drink.

The difference is that your reality won't take as long to adapt to your thoughts.

Your reality will be as you want it to be. (The entirety of your wants, not just what you want at a particular moment.)

What is called the states of awareness is more like siblings of experience.

If you daydream about a childhood memory while sweeping the floor, for example, the two are deeply interconnected.

Technically-speaking the way you are sweeping (along with other conditions surrounding your activity) triggers the experience.

And vice-versa.

It's all about the 'geometry of relationships'.

Basically.. your world is filled with symbols. Two symbols together create consciousness and a reality. Change the 'proximity' of the symbols and you change the value of the relationship, which changes the experience and reality.

So you can experience two "states" at a time because the values of both are nearly the same.

When we are waking we are also dreaming at the same time. (We don't stop dreaming.) Our dream world directly correlates to the waking world but not at the same time. (For a graphical depiction of this see [link to ecsys.org] )

Indeed.

It could be that these "aliens" are actually human beings from Earth. But perhaps not in the sense that we are accustomed to.

There is physical proof of alien life forms all around us but it is ignored because it does not fit into the way science is currently performed.

Instead, we will look at an alien life form and its properties and give it a name like thermodynamics or the stratosphere or electrons.

We will then use an alien life form (electrons) to search for extra-terrestrials and then not find any. Too funny!

It seems that some in this world are actually searching for humans in recognizable form, not any real alien life.

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Another question.

When was the last time you changed your perception?

What I am proposing is no different than something you already do.

The difference is that we can change our perceptions "consciously" instead of not knowing how we do it.

ok so basically what you are saying is that we are already our own energy source for neuronics and are controling/manipulating the living breathing cell structures we use for our body's as one unit. yeah i can accept that, as in reality we do control the elements and systems within our bodys.

but my point is how can we start to manipulate other cells free from our bodily grasp within our limited mindset?

and how is it possible to exist, without a cellular structure for the thought process, which begs the question, were does the energy that provides the electricity needed for any inteligent life come from?

More on "The Geometry of Relationships"

[link to ecsys.org]

Imagine a field of lines like in the blue graphic from the link above.

Each shape is a perspective or reality.

Each shape is comprised of other shapes. And each shape has a different relationship with every other shape.

Now imagine that another shape is born in the middle. This shape gets bigger and bigger and other shapes allow it to.

This growing shape can be thought of as an important event.

The more the event affects realities the greater the gravity of the event.

The event, thus, changes all the relationships around it because it changes the form of the other shapes.

Take 9/11, for example.

How were so many people around the world able to predict (see, envision, sense, whatever) this event before it happened?

The "shape" of 9/11 was massive. It still is. The shape affected our realities before the physical event.

This geometry of relationships precedes physicality because it actually is the physical experience.

A short story in response to this statement. I read the thread from September 2009 when it was first posted back then. I read the website that was linked therein. At the time, I thought, "well. huh."

Three days ago (its now late November 2010), I came across my bookmark for the site and lazily began scanning it. It had been over a year since I had first looked at it. This time, however, my jaw dropped at the information in there. I was astounded at how pertinent it all was!

I think that our understanding is evolving. I don't really know why...that all of a sudden...OP's philosophy took me by storm, but if you will just give it time, you, too, may feel very, very interested in it. I think that we can absorb it. I don't think that it is beyond our ken.

(btw, this is not a paid advertisement. I'm not a groupie, either. I'm just telling you about my experience.)

Chaol, the idea of using new symbols is helpful. Would the beings in your alternate reality be providing some glimpses of these symbols and/or portals to help us along? I'm getting pretty close to waking up completely in my dream and staying conscious in this new reality and its like I go through all these tests every night to gain entry. The other night, I walked through the portal (looked like a huge video screen or pixelated membrane) and the people there told me I was too concerned with the old world, showing me glimpses of my attachments to people, places and things. My confusion is that I have alot of compassion for the beings in this world and is this another test from your dimension to see where my heart is at? I'm thinking about the path of the Bodhisvatta. Thanks.

It's about the relationships, not the cells themselves.

The cells are just a mirror of the relationships. They're not actually physical things. We just represent them in our perception. (Although technically-speaking they do not exist until we perceive them.)

We will always have a limited mindset, as we cannot know of something beyond our own perspective.

We provide the physical constraints, not our bodies.

Our body is just a mirror of our perception.



Any energy comes from one thing relating to another thing. Put two things together and you have energy. The kind of energy, effect, and intensity depends on what those things are.

As long as we have perception we will always possess some kind of "body". A mind or body doesn't need to be supported by physically-oriented cells.

Thoughts do not come from cells. They come from the relationship between one thing and another thing. These relationships are constantly changing, and there is no end to the thought process.

But, are you not instructing us, that we can change the way we perceive this event?

Say, for example, the anticipated event is a large tax bill. We know it's coming. We're a little bit fearful of it's arrival. In the meantime, can't we choose a different geometry -- a different relationship -- so that if this scary tax bill still arrives, it contains good news, like, say, a refund from an error made years ago that we didn't even know about?

In other words, the event that affects realities doesn't necessarily have to affect our own reality if we know how to adjust our perception of it? Is that correct?

Hi.

Thanks. Yes, and at this point the evolution will be quite rapid.

Your world will change right before your eyes.

For some of us, the more we understand the fundamentals of how something comes about the better we can understand everything else.

It is not so much that you are attached to something. What matters is what you're attached to.

If you're attached to the symbols in world A how can you perceive world B? It would be quite difficult. You would experience world B using symbols that you know about.

And so it is that way with dreams. We're falling off of a cliff or walking down a street when no such reality exists in our dreams.

If only the historical Buddha or Jesus clarified their statements about being attached to material things, then perhaps there'd be a greater understanding in general.

Our reality is comprised entirely of symbols. The symbols form relationships and that is what we perceive and experience. Change the symbols and you change your reality.

Your "pixelated membrane" is interesting. Sounds like you've experienced the 'geometry of relationships' for yourself. When you're looking at something this is more of what is actually seen. Your brain adds the narrative using bits and pieces it already knows about in order to conserve energy.

There is really only 1 world. It's called "perspective".

It's not so much that we're crossing from one world to another but that our world is changing.

When we dream, our world changes.

So, too, in the next few years this world changes.

The issue for you here, I think, is that you see a difference.

Realize there is no difference and find the corresponding symbols between the two world.

You can get there by what would be called embracing your entire set of symbols (including the ones you don't like). By resisting any part of your current perspective you are actually resisting the perspective you want. One is a map to the other.

It's not so much a test as just waiting for you to realize it.

The people from my world aren't really doing anything in this world. (There are too many Earths to count.) We're just people who have a different kind of technology that people in this world would find astounding. Most of this technology is non-physical because so many of us are non-physical and we can create things quite easily. For me it's more of a working holiday.

after grasping the basic fundamentals of your existence and enlightenment towards ours, you mention evolution, were as this thread is obviously about so im going to ask you for more enlightenment...

to evovole we must change physicaly, mentaly and spiritualy, so, what should we expect in the coming years?

should we also expect world changes, to shorten the change to the time span of our spitiuality and our physical structures we have today?

what else should we expect to see happening to help us on our way forwards?

and isnt it true there must be a survival of the fittest for the winning dna to evolve so in this respect what should we see happening?

what will become of our natural bodys?

how do you reproduce if you are pure energy and if you dont reproduce what form or shape do you form and why do you exist?

how many dimesional worlds are there?

That's about right.

The perception is entirely because of the total value of the relationships.

The perception is the reality.

However, if you resist something you're actually focusing on it which would probably mean that you're interacting more with it and create the kind of things that you don't want.

My answers probably won't help much because the concepts are different. But I will try...

There is only the changing nature of perception, nothing else.

Your world will change in a manner that you did not expect.

If you expected it, you would already be perceiving or close to its perception.

But for most people, their world will become more like the dream world. For some, nightmares. For others, bliss. It depends on their own thinking.



The only changes are the ones occurring in your perspective.



Things most of us cannot imagine nor can I explain right now. I have a very difficult time putting something as simple as X (Ecsys) into words, and would have an even more difficult time putting these other things into words.

The concepts are very foreign, and would not be understood because there are no words for them.



Survival of the fittest is a myth.

Think of 'perspective' not DNA. If we focus on things we cannot perceive in some way then not much will result.

We like for some things to win and others to lose, but this isn't how it works. It's just how we see it because we see a small slice of the picture.



Not sure what you mean by natural, as there isn't anything that isn't natural. But of your body, it will just become something else. Same as it always has. Same as it did when you woke up.



Same way you reproduce, being made of energy yourself.

We are no more pure energy than you are. In fact, I can't begin to think of what pure energy might be.

We exist for the same reasons. To create relationships.

In this world I am human even though physicality doesn't actually exist.

We have both assumed human form and are part of the physical narrative.



Exactly 1. It's "perspective"

No energy exist outside of your perspective, and no other dimensions need exist.

But if you were to count the number of different worlds you could travel to, there would be no end.

Not infinite (as infinity does not exist) but just beyond perception.

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On this page:

[link to www.ecsys.org]

it is easy enough to understand the boxes representing the high, neutral and low values. But, why do the lines change in the glyphs? What would cause a line to change its angle?

Also, do the boxes ever change into a different shape, such as a circle? Do these symbols always display a box as a representation?

A lot of us have used LSD and enjoyed a major change in perception. Even after the drug wears off and the user "comes back to Earth", their outlook is changed. There is definitely a different point of view afterwards.

Actually, this relates to the post on Page 1 regarding psilocybe cubensis. I just now looked up what that term means. It is a psychedelic mushroom.

OP, you've already explained how these drugs work. Now I get it. Thanks.

Hi chaol,

With the EC characters when you have a collective string to produce the desired outcome,

does the outputs of one character flow as an input of the next and so on to the end similar to transistor logic?
or
are the outputs independent of them selves and the total collective of outputs produce the outcome similar to a logic gate?

Thanks

From where does an event originate? What births the potential for a mass event? What sparks the possibility?

You mention 9/11 as being a massive shape. You are posting here on a conspiracy forum so you may be familiar with some people theorizing that 9/11 was an act of magic (as in occult magick), inserted somehow into our mass reality as a means of manipulating consciousness to flow in a particular direction.

Even though neuronics postulates that no energy is independent of your perspective, is it possible that there are "bad guys" (TPTB) amongst us who are skilled in steering the perceptions of a population of people?

Hi.

Each of the 66 icons is different, so the lines change accordingly.

In the first few icons, the 'input' is on the left and 'output' on the right. In each subsequent icon the output changes to the next space. When the output reaches the end then the input moves over, and so on.



When we put the icons together to make a statement they can either be as-is (not surrounded by anything), within a rectangle, or within a rounded rectangle depending on what it is used for. When used in some other technical ways then different shapes may be used, although those are the main 2 shapes.

The symbols themselves are always expressed like [link to ecsys.org] with linear forms.

Hope this helps.

Hi.

When used as mental computers or for programming, each icon is like a logic gate to serve as an instruction (We can also network them together.) The outputs of an icon do not affect the input of the one previous.

When used for translation, each icon is like a definition. There are standard definitions and also you can have your own personal definition. (For example, if how you value a certain word or concept is different from the standard.)

Nothing fancy here.. the origin is your perception only.

An event is a collection of symbols. There is really no difference between what is called an event and a banana. It depends on how you look at something.

You can say that an event is where something is happening. But there is always something happening, even when things seem static.

The question is, how is what is happening affecting other things? (and how fast is it occurring relative to other things?)

For example, if a tree suddenly turns into a rock it may be called an event. But if it does it very slowly it is not called an event. Yet the same process is occurring.

An event is more like symbols that have lined up together from your perspective. (They may not be aligned from another perspective, however, and would thus not be called an event the same way you don't consider breathing a big event but other life forms do.)

Imagine you have a box made of symbols. There are symbols all around the box. At the corners of the box you have several symbols come together to make a kind of bridge to another group of symbols.

Each corner represents an event. The bigger the event the more points that meet the corner. So a large event would bring many different kinds of symbols together and form a bridge to each.

The 'big events' are just instances where the same process of creation happens (Ecsys Prime).

When these symbols share some of the same elements from your perspective (such as sharing the same structure or logic) then we have correlation and, thus, an event.

So for example one person walking down the street is not an event. But add 10 more people near each other and have then walk in step and you have an event. The more people that share the elements the "bigger" the event.



There are no powers that be. There are only the powers that seem to be.

Everything exists within your perception.

Each thing perceived is a value in your own perspective.

An analogy... your computer screen knows not what it creates. But your brain interprets the relationships as being the letter "A" or a picture of a dog, for example. But these letters and dogs are not properties of the computer itself. They are properties of you. Values in your own perspective.

Except that in this case the computer exists within your perception, and is also a value of it.

Hope this helps.

Want my holoband like in Caprica! It's a direct neural communication device of the future!

we are non-physical beings, you...
stop this shit,
for you are lost.
god is human,
not a ghost.
And the Creation is above him, mate.
Don't spin in emptiness your fate.

Sounds interesting. But not sure why the interface goes through the eyes.

Science fiction has been the primary cause of much of the technological progress of the last few centuries, and I think these types of devices are being worked on now.

The problem with discovering new technology, however, is that we tend to want to integrate old concepts into new ones.

Artificial intelligence, for example, is generally thought of a being a singular intelligence.

The AI of the future (most probably) is more like a piece of software with multiple personalities and various interfaces to physically express or interpret itself if it wants to. It is then given the freedom to create and destroy the various personalities as it sees fit.

Not sure how a direct neural interface in the next couple of years will work, but of the probable distant future (say, 5 years) it is manufactured on a molecular basis and integrated into physical objects and materials, for those who are not comfortable using more abstract methods.

A piece of granite kitchen counter-top, for example, is reconfigured to function within a network and act as a computing device and receive instructions via the network of which your brain is part.

It sounds fantastical, but you already have the technology. It's just a matter of putting the pieces together and mass producing it.

Closer than you realize.

Last Edited by Chaol on 11/28/2010 04:32 AM