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Where the scripture ends...Truth begins

 
Rex Khristos
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Prior to the third initiation we proceeded blindly; we took the existence and nature of the inner spiritual realities on faith and inner conviction. We relied upon the Intuition of our heart, the word of our Master, and the wisdom teachings of the ages for our knowledge and understanding. We aspired to some day see these things for ourselves. At the third initiation all this process is over. The scales fall from our eyes. Our inner vision is awakened and knowledge, faith, and belief are replaced by direct experience. Knowledge is gained directly from Intuitional apprehension; there is no more need to read books or study — the mental vehicle no longer needs to be built up or strengthened. For the third degree initiate, the Spiritual Intuition — the mind that perceives Reality — is fully active and can be used at will. The hidden world that lies behind all outer appearances is known and perceived. This is a clear, grounded vision that is seen with the eyes and heard with the ears — the subjective world of the soul becomes just as definite and objective as the physical world. The third degree initiate moves in a World of Light where thoughts and ideas are seen as the outer manifestation rather than the physical universe.



You have entered the Kingdom, child of the Almighty.

Last Edited by Apotheosis Rex Khristos on 12/30/2010 09:54 PM
"And though I believe in the ineffable glory of God, and though I might have experienced the undeniable reality of the Deity, and though I may know the secrets of the ages, these do not fulfill the Love in my heart. But to Change and Be and Do and dissolve both the subject of my person and the object of my God into the fluency of Empirical Providence. The Way, the Truth, and the Life."
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"We, in our personality consciousness, imagine that we have a soul, that other people have souls, and that there are millions and billions of individual souls in the world. From the angle of the personality this is quite true and accurate, but from the angle of the indwelling Spirit there is only one soul, only one consciousness, and only one Divine Awareness that pervades all things. For the third degree initiate, there is no longer any sense of "my soul and thy soul," but rather an all-pervading unity is sensed and known, and the sense of separateness is banished forever."
"And though I believe in the ineffable glory of God, and though I might have experienced the undeniable reality of the Deity, and though I may know the secrets of the ages, these do not fulfill the Love in my heart. But to Change and Be and Do and dissolve both the subject of my person and the object of my God into the fluency of Empirical Providence. The Way, the Truth, and the Life."
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Prior to the third initiation we proceeded blindly; we took the existence and nature of the inner spiritual realities on faith and inner conviction. We relied upon the Intuition of our heart, the word of our Master, and the wisdom teachings of the ages for our knowledge and understanding. We aspired to some day see these things for ourselves. At the third initiation all this process is over. The scales fall from our eyes. Our inner vision is awakened and knowledge, faith, and belief are replaced by direct experience. Knowledge is gained directly from Intuitional apprehension; there is no more need to read books or study — the mental vehicle no longer needs to be built up or strengthened. For the third degree initiate, the Spiritual Intuition — the mind that perceives Reality — is fully active and can be used at will. The hidden world that lies behind all outer appearances is known and perceived. This is a clear, grounded vision that is seen with the eyes and heard with the ears — the subjective world of the soul becomes just as definite and objective as the physical world. The third degree initiate moves in a World of Light where thoughts and ideas are seen as the outer manifestation rather than the physical universe.



You have entered the Kingdom, child of the Almighty.
 Quoting: Rex Khristos

That should be posted in AL's Enlightened thread (which I will do). I'll be reading that book over the next day or two.

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Prior to the third initiation we proceeded blindly; we took the existence and nature of the inner spiritual realities on faith and inner conviction. We relied upon the Intuition of our heart, the word of our Master, and the wisdom teachings of the ages for our knowledge and understanding. We aspired to some day see these things for ourselves. At the third initiation all this process is over. The scales fall from our eyes. Our inner vision is awakened and knowledge, faith, and belief are replaced by direct experience. Knowledge is gained directly from Intuitional apprehension; there is no more need to read books or study — the mental vehicle no longer needs to be built up or strengthened. For the third degree initiate, the Spiritual Intuition — the mind that perceives Reality — is fully active and can be used at will. The hidden world that lies behind all outer appearances is known and perceived. This is a clear, grounded vision that is seen with the eyes and heard with the ears — the subjective world of the soul becomes just as definite and objective as the physical world. The third degree initiate moves in a World of Light where thoughts and ideas are seen as the outer manifestation rather than the physical universe.



You have entered the Kingdom, child of the Almighty.

That should be posted in AL's Enlightened thread (which I will do). I'll be reading that book over the next day or two.
 Quoting: Kaosofik

Please do, spread the Truth far and wide, it is high time we walked in the light.
"And though I believe in the ineffable glory of God, and though I might have experienced the undeniable reality of the Deity, and though I may know the secrets of the ages, these do not fulfill the Love in my heart. But to Change and Be and Do and dissolve both the subject of my person and the object of my God into the fluency of Empirical Providence. The Way, the Truth, and the Life."
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We, in our personality consciousness, imagine that we have a soul, that other people have souls, and that there are millions and billions of individual souls in the world. From the angle of the personality this is quite true and accurate, but from the angle of the indwelling Spirit there is only one soul, only one consciousness, and only one Divine Awareness that pervades all things. For the third degree initiate, there is no longer any sense of "my soul and thy soul," but rather an all-pervading unity is sensed and known, and the sense of separateness is banished forever.

The third degree initiate is therefore relatively unconcerned with the happenings and affairs of the personality. We find, at this point, an all-engrossing focus upon the subjective worlds and the events and happenings that concern the Spiritual Hierarchy itself, as well as energies emanating from that still higher kingdom of nature, Shamballa.

After the third initiation progress is rapid, and the fourth initiation — often called the Crucifixion — looms ahead. At the fourth initiation all personality limitations are overcome, and all sorrow, sadness, and doubt are set aside. Having fully expressed our true soul nature, we demonstrate the qualities of Spiritual Will, Spiritual Intuition, and Abstract Mind. These three aspects of the Spiritual Soul blend and unite with the three aspects of the personality — mind, emotions, and body. The result is the liberation of the lower self completely out of the limitations of matter into joy, peace, and bliss.

After that, the fifth initiation, the Resurrection, is taken and the Being that was once a struggling aspirant is now a Master of the Wisdom, a Lord of Compassion, who works endlessly in the service of all life.

With the third initiation we have already moved out of the realm of knowledge of all except the most advanced students, and it does not profit us to consider the later initiations in any detail. Until we have done the work needed to achieve the first three initiations and have blended soul and personality, there is no need to aspire to the world of Spirit and Monad. Anything we might say about these things would only add more meaningless words to the pile that has already been built up by those who have speculated upon these matters. When the words "Spirit," "Being," "Life," "Divinity," and "Monad" begin to have some practical meaning in our lives, then and only then will it be time to move forward.

Last Edited by Apotheosis Rex Khristos on 10/26/2010 06:51 PM
"And though I believe in the ineffable glory of God, and though I might have experienced the undeniable reality of the Deity, and though I may know the secrets of the ages, these do not fulfill the Love in my heart. But to Change and Be and Do and dissolve both the subject of my person and the object of my God into the fluency of Empirical Providence. The Way, the Truth, and the Life."
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Sounds great but wheres the proof?

I have not seen one person demonstrate some real super natural powers in my life (which I would assume you would gain from reaching "third initiation" or something similar).

Thanks for the post any how.
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Sounds great but wheres the proof?

I have not seen one person demonstrate some real super natural powers in my life (which I would assume you would gain from reaching "third initiation" or something similar).

Thanks for the post any how.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1139203

The proof is out there if you dig enough for it.

This man is in contact with his spiritual elders and got quite the reprimand for displaying his powers in the manner he did.



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"And though I believe in the ineffable glory of God, and though I might have experienced the undeniable reality of the Deity, and though I may know the secrets of the ages, these do not fulfill the Love in my heart. But to Change and Be and Do and dissolve both the subject of my person and the object of my God into the fluency of Empirical Providence. The Way, the Truth, and the Life."
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I have to admit the John Chang vids are interesting and impressive but John didn't claim to gleam his knowledge from a random author (and there are so many in the genre).
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Your false religion will soon end.
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I have to admit the John Chang vids are interesting and impressive but John didn't claim to gleam his knowledge from a random author (and there are so many in the genre).
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Right. He said through daily meditation and connection to his spiritual masters he learned how to control the energy with in his body...and when you can do that you can link with larger living harmonic flows of energy.

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"And though I believe in the ineffable glory of God, and though I might have experienced the undeniable reality of the Deity, and though I may know the secrets of the ages, these do not fulfill the Love in my heart. But to Change and Be and Do and dissolve both the subject of my person and the object of my God into the fluency of Empirical Providence. The Way, the Truth, and the Life."
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rolleyes
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I have to admit the John Chang vids are interesting and impressive but John didn't claim to gleam his knowledge from a random author (and there are so many in the genre).
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I'm not actually saying the information you have linked to is wrong or fake, all I'm saying is that I've heard the same claims 100 times before.

For a change it would be nice to see some proof to accompany the interesting claims.
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Sadly, the gnostic teachings are qualifiable as a religion,
even more sadly,
the members usually think they are free of the dogmas and restrictions that they see in acknowledged religions...

who is the more deceived?
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For a change it would be nice to see some proof to accompany the interesting claims.
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I wholeheartedly agree.
"And though I believe in the ineffable glory of God, and though I might have experienced the undeniable reality of the Deity, and though I may know the secrets of the ages, these do not fulfill the Love in my heart. But to Change and Be and Do and dissolve both the subject of my person and the object of my God into the fluency of Empirical Providence. The Way, the Truth, and the Life."
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For a change it would be nice to see some proof to accompany the interesting claims.
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~(double self reply post bonus points)~
I guess I just feel a little resentful that I have to invest time into reading and practicing something which might turn out to be fundamentally bullshit.

I wish I knew it was accurate before having to invest in something that was made up. Why are the answers to the universe so hard :(
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Sadly, the gnostic teachings are qualifiable as a religion,
even more sadly,
the members usually think they are free of the dogmas and restrictions that they see in acknowledged religions...

who is the more deceived?
 Quoting: kalamity kool

Any set of postulates regarding reality could be qualified as a religion. What you do with them is what makes up your faith.

Where you see religion, I see a Way, not just to think, but to do.


The deceived are those who do not recognize the shadow they cast and mistake is for reality.
"And though I believe in the ineffable glory of God, and though I might have experienced the undeniable reality of the Deity, and though I may know the secrets of the ages, these do not fulfill the Love in my heart. But to Change and Be and Do and dissolve both the subject of my person and the object of my God into the fluency of Empirical Providence. The Way, the Truth, and the Life."
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~(double self reply post bonus points)~
I guess I just feel a little resentful that I have to invest time into reading and practicing something which might turn out to be fundamentally bullshit.

I wish I knew it was accurate before having to invest in something that was made up. Why are the answers to the universe so hard :(
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1139203

From a belief perspective, I say might as well go for the glory, rather than pick and chose impossibilities from a state we admittedly do not perceive.


Keep it all things pliable and plausible as it may well be greater and richer than we dare imagine.
"And though I believe in the ineffable glory of God, and though I might have experienced the undeniable reality of the Deity, and though I may know the secrets of the ages, these do not fulfill the Love in my heart. But to Change and Be and Do and dissolve both the subject of my person and the object of my God into the fluency of Empirical Providence. The Way, the Truth, and the Life."
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rolleyes
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chuckle
"And though I believe in the ineffable glory of God, and though I might have experienced the undeniable reality of the Deity, and though I may know the secrets of the ages, these do not fulfill the Love in my heart. But to Change and Be and Do and dissolve both the subject of my person and the object of my God into the fluency of Empirical Providence. The Way, the Truth, and the Life."
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From the author's introduction:

"Looking at this book now, there are many things I would change. Indeed, I would re-write the entire book. I had thought of making notes where the greatest issues appeared, but that would be a major task and would hardly be less than a re-write. Those who read this book should realize that while it has many good things to say, there are also some that are not so good, and as with any book no matter how exalted, we should be wise ants and sift the sugar from the sand, determining for ourselves the truth of things."
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Witness here the end of religions and all scripture.

Hmmmmmm, somebody has been saying that on this site for some time...

While as I recall OP has been blathering on and on about what scriptures say...

Better late than never, I guess.
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OP = Totally deceived half-wit
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Yeah yeah; keep taking the medication; the fairy queen is coming to wave the wand, and make it all go away.
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Sadly, the gnostic teachings are qualifiable as a religion,
even more sadly,
the members usually think they are free of the dogmas and restrictions that they see in acknowledged religions...

who is the more deceived?

Any set of postulates regarding reality could be qualified as a religion. What you do with them is what makes up your faith.

Where you see religion, I see a Way, not just to think, but to do.


The deceived are those who do not recognize the shadow they cast and mistake is for reality.
 Quoting: Rex Khristos



Well, I don't think science qualifies as a religion, but I get your point Rex.

All the religions have a Way, and I believe that they all lead to God, like all the Birkeland currents do, to the Sun.

I agree it is what you individually do with your beliefs that really matters, rather than what you belong to.
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For a change it would be nice to see some proof to accompany the interesting claims.

~(double self reply post bonus points)~
I guess I just feel a little resentful that I have to invest time into reading and practicing something which might turn out to be fundamentally bullshit.

I wish I knew it was accurate before having to invest in something that was made up. Why are the answers to the universe so hard :(
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1139203

i've responded to this several ways. they all seemed pretentious. so...

the answers are so simple they seem hard. and i know nothing.
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Hmmmmmm, somebody has been saying that on this site for some time...

While as I recall OP has been blathering on and on about what scriptures say...

Better late than never, I guess.
 Quoting: New Age Messiah

Way to catch on to something that's being going on since the beginning of mans existence written about time and time again throughout history in one form of the story of another...though funnily enough, few do...which you actually failed to understand in you generality of "scripture" in the first place.

What all scripture attempts to do is describe the psychological changes from ignore-ance into Truth. Form thinking this or that to Full Reality perception. A road map of 4d travel.

But go ahead and have nothing of merit to add...again.

Oh but excuse me for interrupting...you we talking about yourself again?
"And though I believe in the ineffable glory of God, and though I might have experienced the undeniable reality of the Deity, and though I may know the secrets of the ages, these do not fulfill the Love in my heart. But to Change and Be and Do and dissolve both the subject of my person and the object of my God into the fluency of Empirical Providence. The Way, the Truth, and the Life."
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OP = Totally deceived half-wit
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Yeah yeah; keep taking the medication; the fairy queen is coming to wave the wand, and make it all go away.
 Quoting: Heavyheadfred 1143060

dfaith
"And though I believe in the ineffable glory of God, and though I might have experienced the undeniable reality of the Deity, and though I may know the secrets of the ages, these do not fulfill the Love in my heart. But to Change and Be and Do and dissolve both the subject of my person and the object of my God into the fluency of Empirical Providence. The Way, the Truth, and the Life."
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What all scripture attempts to do is describe the psychological changes from ignore-ance into Truth. Form thinking this or that to Full Reality perception. A road map of 4d travel.
 Quoting: Rex Khristos


Bullshit.
But go ahead and have nothing of merit to add...again.
 Quoting: Rex Khristos

Your last thread that I remember was a windbag piece of garbage about the apocrypha of John or wahtever crock of shit "scripture" like it's worth talking about. It's a load of crap not worth mentioning. Anyone who gives any credence or validity to it is PROLONGING ignorace, and proving their own ignorance.
Oh but excuse me for interrupting...you we talking about yourself again?
 Quoting: Rex Khristos

Yeah, I'm light years ahead of you.
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Sounds great but wheres the proof?

I have not seen one person demonstrate some real super natural powers in my life (which I would assume you would gain from reaching "third initiation" or something similar).

Thanks for the post any how.

The proof is out there if you dig enough for it.

This man is in contact with his spiritual elders and got quite the reprimand for displaying his powers in the manner he did.


 Quoting: Rex Khristos

Hey Rex.

I'm sorry, I don't see much in that video that was "proof".
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Well, I don't think science qualifies as a religion, but I get your point Rex.

All the religions have a Way, and I believe that they all lead to God, like all the Birkeland currents do, to the Sun.

I agree it is what you individually do with your beliefs that really matters, rather than what you belong to.
 Quoting: kalamity kool

Science is a mix of things...in the scientific method aspect I agree with you but in the academia aspect it manifests as worldview with concordant can's and cannot happens.

And the whole point in that is to wrestles ones postulates until they mirror the truth.

But in the doing is a changing, and belief is lost in faith, and even faith (knowing) is lost in truly Being.

The point of any road map is to get to the destination...

I'm not there yet, but I've seen it.
"And though I believe in the ineffable glory of God, and though I might have experienced the undeniable reality of the Deity, and though I may know the secrets of the ages, these do not fulfill the Love in my heart. But to Change and Be and Do and dissolve both the subject of my person and the object of my God into the fluency of Empirical Providence. The Way, the Truth, and the Life."
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Good one Rex.
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Bullshit.
 Quoting: New Age Messiah

But go ahead and have nothing of merit to add...again.
 Quoting: Rex Khristos

Your last thread that I remember was a windbag piece of garbage about the apocrypha of John or wahtever crock of shit "scripture" like it's worth talking about. It's a load of crap not worth mentioning. Anyone who gives any credence or validity to it is PROLONGING ignorace, and proving their own ignorance.
 Quoting: New Age Messiah

Your ignorance is directly proportional to all you choose to ignore. Which by multiple self admission is a lot for you, my condolences.
Yeah, I'm light years ahead of you.
 Quoting: New Age Messiah

Oh but excuse me for interrupting...you we talking about yourself again?
 Quoting: Rex Khristos

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This is all you have? Some 80's throw-back tv shows?

But hey i understand, I suppose I'd be mad too if i took up some catch phrase to promote my ego and here comes some one else who points out an experience-able truth behind it...but the difference is a wise man loves correction while you throw an unimaginative a temper tantrum.
"And though I believe in the ineffable glory of God, and though I might have experienced the undeniable reality of the Deity, and though I may know the secrets of the ages, these do not fulfill the Love in my heart. But to Change and Be and Do and dissolve both the subject of my person and the object of my God into the fluency of Empirical Providence. The Way, the Truth, and the Life."





GLP