The Apocryphon of John...an exploration

I'll be there...LOL.

So you know what the reference is from?

"Please note that we have added a consequence for failure. Any contact with the chamber floor will result in an 'unsatisfactory' mark on your official testing record, followed by death. Good luck!"

Last Edited by Apotheosis Rex Khristos on 10/22/2010 08:36 PM

Here is what Christ did after the resurrection...

"I, therefore, the perfect Pronoia of the all, changed myself into my seed, for I existed first, going on every road. For I am the richness of the light; I am the remembrance of the pleroma.

"And I went into the realm of darkness and I endured till I entered the middle of the prison. And the foundations of chaos shook. And I hid myself from them because of their wickedness, and they did not recognize me.

"Again I returned for the second time, and I went about. I came forth from those who belong to the light, which is I, the remembrance of the Pronoia. I entered into the midst of darkness and the inside of Hades, since I was seeking (to accomplish) my task. And the foundations of chaos shook, that they might fall down upon those who are in chaos and might destroy them. And again I ran up to my root of light, lest they be destroyed before the time.

"Still for a third time I went - I am the light which exists in the light, I am the remembrance of the Pronoia - that I might enter into the midst of darkness and the inside of Hades. And I filled my face with the light of the completion of their aeon. And I entered into the midst of their prison, which is the prison of the body. And I said, 'He who hears, let him get up from the deep sleep.' And he wept and shed tears. Bitter tears he wiped from himself and he said, 'Who is it that calls my name, and from where has this hope come to me, while I am in the chains of the prison?' And I said, 'I am the Pronoia of the pure light; I am the thinking of the virginal Spirit, who raised you up to the honored place. Arise and remember that it is you who hearkened, and follow your root, which is I, the merciful one, and guard yourself against the angels of poverty and the demons of chaos and all those who ensnare you, and beware of the deep sleep and the enclosure of the inside of Hades.

Other than the Apocryphon of John, my most favorite is "The Thunder, Perfect Mind".

I was sent forth from the power,
and I have come to those who reflect upon me,
and I have been found among those who seek after me.
Look upon me, you who reflect upon me,
and you hearers, hear me.
You who are waiting for me, take me to yourselves.
And do not banish me from your sight.
And do not make your voice hate me, nor your hearing.
Do not be ignorant of me anywhere or any time. Be on your guard!
Do not be ignorant of me.

[link to www.gnosis.org]

Love it!

"You who are waiting for me, take me to yourselves."

Last Edited by Apotheosis Rex Khristos on 10/22/2010 08:45 PM

For some reason, I could not dare say it; that's why I said I cannot find the words..."

Of anyone who has ever suffered through a sesson of my elated findings, there is not one persom among them that I have had the nerve to express this to.

Thank you for expressing it.

Morgan...I believe it is because you can show another over and over and they will not understand. It is there for them when they are ready and they will find it. I am just honored to be among others who have the same perception as me!

Grace to you Morgan...my little girl is Morgan as well.

Continued:

For I am the first and the last.
I am the honored one and the scorned one.
I am the whore and the holy one.
I am the wife and the virgin.
I am <the mother> and the daughter.
I am the members of my mother.
I am the barren one
and many are her sons.
I am she whose wedding is great,
and I have not taken a husband.
I am the midwife and she who does not bear.
I am the solace of my labor pains.
I am the bride and the bridegroom,
and it is my husband who begot me.
I am the mother of my father
and the sister of my husband
and he is my offspring.

I know what you mean, like a fear hex has been place over even the thought.

I am the slave of him who prepared me.
I am the ruler of my offspring.
But he is the one who begot me before the time on a birthday.
And he is my offspring in (due) time,
and my power is from him.
I am the staff of his power in his youth,
and he is the rod of my old age.
And whatever he wills happens to me.
I am the silence that is incomprehensible
and the idea whose remembrance is frequent.
I am the voice whose sound is manifold
and the word whose appearance is multiple.
I am the utterance of my name.

This is the true voice of the "One".
Continue reading at the link posted above.

Yes Rex, just like that!

In my mind, I have always understood that like minds would one day come together. Who would think that would happen on GLP.

Thank you for boosting my faith Rex and Morgan.

You words are very kind. Thank you!





Perfect example.

Here's more, for it needs to be read....:

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I am the one who has been hated everywhere
and who has been loved everywhere.
I am the one whom they call Life,
and you have called Death.
I am the one whom they call Law,
and you have called Lawlessness.
I am the one whom you have pursued,
and I am the one whom you have seized.
I am the one whom you have scattered,
and you have gathered me together.
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I, I am godless,
and I am the one whose God is great.
I am the one whom you have reflected upon,
and you have scorned me.
I am unlearned,
and they learn from me.
I am the one that you have despised,
and you reflect upon me.


More thanks!

Wow! I love this thread!

[I just realized that I've highjacked your post, Oracle. Sorry...]

Last Edited by esotericMorgan on 10/22/2010 09:09 PM

There is no hijacking when it comes to this...there is no room for ego. Please be my guest, Morgan.

Okay, I have a thought and question:

No matter how bad/troublesome my material existence remains, I feel comforted. This word is not as expressive as I'd like, yet, it's all I can conjure to explain it. The conundrum that is my life does not penetrate into my being, even though I cannot shy away from it's causes and effects. I somehow remain whole.

Now, the question:

Do either of you have a similar situation, that is to say, penniless, in debt, with your world poised for a fall?

I ask, because my perception is this: I know so many people who have material comforts that you might consider that they should not deserve due to various things you know about them, yet, the don't seem to have a peaceful core.

I have wondered if the struggle may be defining. Something along the Buddhist concept of suffering.

And, if your situations have a good comfort level, how do I advance to rise from these problems, to overcome them, to be free again to walk in the sun, to commune with this good earth?

Last Edited by esotericMorgan on 10/22/2010 09:29 PM

Wow, Morgan, you just asked the loaded question.

My life...married, with a 3 year old (Morgan). At the time I first found the Gnostic Texts we have been discussing, I had just gotten married (2nd time around). We were flat broke and I didn't care. I had my spiritual equal in my husband. We met because of our spiritual thoughts and goals.

Over the next 5 or so years, our lives started changing. We both started making more money, we bought a house, etc. etc. I had 4 children to my previous husband and my now husband had none. Right when our life was perfect according to humans, a bombshell was dropped. We were given the opportunity to adopt our little one. I wasn't seeking this in any way. She just dropped into our life, just like that.

Since then life has taken a huge turn. Her adoption was a big struggle and our savings was wiped, but I did not care. She is so worth it. Then my husband lost his job. After a year he finally accepted a job that was even less than his unemployment. He was working for two weeks when I got laid off (2 months ago). I found a job occasionally contracting for a company. I was honest with the state about the money I was earning occasionally and lost my UEC because they said contracting is self employment. For the first time in my life, I cannot pay my mortgage this month and honestly, I am very calm about this to an extent. Through it all, I have nothing to fall back on but the joy of having my little girl and my spiritual faith.

I think that you cannot chase the dollar and continue to focus on your spiritual life. The two do not mesh. However, I have to wonder if it is my issue. Why can't I have money and continue to evolve spiritually? I don't understand this and this is a constant quest for me to understand.

Regardless, if I end up in a small apartment with the shirt on my back, I will still have my little girl who brings me more joy than anything. I can only know who it is that gave me this gift, no need to wonder about that. Before she came to us, I thought my life was perfect. I had no clue what a boring machine I had become. Now my life is a mess and constantly crazy. It could not be more perfect.

Dear Rex

To better understand the two I have been communing with here tonight, I read both of your profiles.

I gather that you are an arborist?

Is this a coincidence or what:

I have run a tree service for many, many years here in NYC, although I am not the owner. While I do not claim to be certified, I use the title Aboricultural Consultant solely due to my long experience when I write reports; I never charge for them. Despite not knowing all I should, I am not without knowledge. I was studying to be an entomologist and plant pathologist, until I took courses for my CORE exam. By the time those 30 hours of training wound down, I refused to take the test and get my pesticide license. At that point I withdrew my application from Rutgers Cook College.

Small world, eh?

I forgot to add:

My little girl requires a life that is spent exploring the earth. Her favorite place is a huge public garden that is one of the most beautiful places I have ever seen.

She becomes depressed if it rains too many days in a row and I am forced to put on a raincoat, grab an umbrella and walk in the rain with her. She is inquisitive about everything in nature. I swear some days she is "one" with the bugs, LOL. She knows and understands them all, even the locusts.

She loves to do things with her hands. She is a toolbelt-diva-princess and you cannot help but smile when she has her little tool box, hammering a nail, in her beautiful golden Belle disney dress. Of course she is wearing the heals and jewelry, sometimes the matching crown too.

Her entire life is in search of things that make her smile and laugh. And then I have to smile or laugh too. Currently she and her dadday are making trails on the floor with the coins from her piggy bank. All of the sudden she started throwing the coins up in the air and said "look Daddy, its a rainy day, coin day. Look at all the coins that are raining down on you. Isn't it beautiful?" Sigh, where does she get this?

So there is no wondering why this child was given to me. She was here for me as much as I for her, but also to help me to strengthen my connection spiritually.

Yes I am an arborist, certified...though not specifically for climbing, that's pretty much my role on the crew...as well as boss when boss isn't around

I'm in between errands right now, will answer your other inquiries when I get back.

You are correct: WOW!

Well, I have two apartments that I cannot rent do to upgrade issues I cannot afford. If worse comes to worst...I could shelter you!

Anyway, while I do have November's payment...that's it. I totally understand where you are coming from. I will pray for your families well-being.

My husband died January '08. Since then, one of the many people who loved him has been providing funds for my mortgage. November will be the last of these wonderful gifts. I live and breath "what am I going to do?" My recent times on GLP has been a relief valve for me.

It seems that our lives are sharing a similar thread. Perhaps our joined energies will help keep us afloat through the ether.

Oracle, I send all the love inside me your way. When I rest tonight, I will try to bring thoughts of you into that unknown plane. Maybe they will latch onto some form of relief.

You are blessed. What a wonderful gift you have been given. Perhaps she is the key.

I miss having growing children around, although my two boys, now pretty much grown, still pull on my heart strings daily.

Thank you very much. I will do the same for you.

I am so very sorry about your husband. What a trial for you to go through and you held on to your spiritual values. Did you have those before he passed? I cannot imagine what it is like for you and how you must struggle now. Somehow we are all here with someone to support us when we are in need. We just have to know when to see it!

I have two adult sons...trust me, they are kings at pulling at their mother's heart strings. They are priceless even still.

...and a little bit of time line speculation;

The language of the codex containing the Gospel of Judas is the same Sahidic dialect of Coptic as the gnostic Nag Hammadi Library, discovered in Egypt in 1945. It was at one time in the Nag Hammadi Library I believe.

If you have read this codex you will possibly recall that in the Gospel of Judas Jesus describes Judas as the 13th and that his star will lead the way at the end of time.

[link to www.nationalgeographic.com]


To continue, there are quite a few threads discussing Pane Andov's "2012 Equation solved"

[link to www.box.net]

One thing that caught my eye was the information on page 10 about Ophiuchus and a comet or beam and our alignment in December of that year. That constellation is considered the thirteenth in the zodiac. Coincidental, possibly....

My boss is my ex. During the five years we were not talking, he could not find someone to run things for him as I did. It's a long story, but, I wound up back where I started.

Now he goes to Florida from mid November to mid March each year, leaving everything in my hands. As slow as winter can be, it is really nice that he's not around, messing things up for me. When I'm completely at the helm, there are no crossed wires, or, someone insisting that red is green.

And, I get to use his car for four entire months.

LOL, full circle. Funny how these things go. How does that sit with you?

Yes, we both had those values...in very very different ways! While he went about touting himself confirmed atheist, I know in my heart that many of his demons stemmed from his inability to admit he had actually bought into 'it' in many ways. He was a sage, a musician, a composer, and a raving lunatic in his sleep when dangerously blotto...thankfully not every night. The most gentle friend, companion, and lover. His favorite question when meeting someone new was "What's important?" This is how he'd look into your soul. He rejected no one, but, latched only to those he felt were 'true'.

I keep waiting for him to meet the right entity that will journey back here with him, to bring me some positive waves.
He must have run into John Lennon or someone else of similar mindset, because he's very very late.

Oracle, it's been a blessing conecting with you.

The comet I had not heard about. Thanks for the new info.

History has given Judas got a bum wrap. Any theologian who speaks truth should know that Judas was ordained to his post. I can't site where it's found, but, this was foretold.

The ex? He truly feeds and soul and lightens my spirit. Why? Because he is one of the most caustic, bigoted, unhappy souls that I know. We could not be married. He mocked me, called me Miss Goody Two Shoes, The Rock. So much negativity.

So, balancing all of his tensive actions and reactions only serve to amplify me in helpful ways. I had the kids, so, the only way to heal them and help them grow into reasonable adults, I decided to move towards him, rather than oppose him. I am happy to report that my younger son no longer hates Dad. Of course, this is the condensed story. The full version could have a very exciting trailer to make you shudder and reel you in!

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Rex & Oracle:

Thank you for a lovely evening!

'Til we meet again...

Last Edited by esotericMorgan on 10/22/2010 11:10 PM

One thing that caught my eye was the information on page 10 about Ophiuchus and a comet or beam and our alignment in December of that year. That constellation is considered the thirteenth in the zodiac. Coincidental, possibly....

Thanks for that great information. It pains me that so many words and lines are missing from this and the Gnostic Texts etc. in the Nag Hammadi as well. I suppose we can't have everything handed to us.

All that this states and the thirteenth star makes sense to me even though I could not read all 127 pages of the second article (saved for quit reading). I think it is sort of a pre-destined thing. I believe Judas represents the dark part of many of us. In the end someone with the very same type of energy will show the others in the world how to ascend to the place that Judas saw in his vision, regardless of his lack of ability to do so at the time of Jesus. Everyone truly has the same rights at some time or another. In the end, Judas is a representation of an energy within all of us and something will transpire to show us the way to heal this.

Yet it appears that these big happenings are not just human, but cosmic as well. "As is above so is below and vice versa. I believe that changes in mass consciousness is always reflected by what is transpiring in the cosmos. So, the two would seem not coincidental, but spot on.

Thanks again for good reading material.

Have you ever read a story called "I remember Union"? It is a little different than a lot of stuff, but it is one of those reads that opens celullar memory. Many of my thoughts or concepts on the role of Judas come from what I read there and experienced in my own level as I read. It used to be a difficult book to find, but not so these days with Amazon etc.

[link to www.amazon.com]
Read the reviews below the info.