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The Antichrist was shown to us in "The passion of the Christ"

 
YAH Stone Massive!  (OP)

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I shall post for the 1000th time it is in the Bible...confession to a priest. It is God's plan. Jesus said "whose sins you shall forgive" that eliminates your personal confession to God. The "easy" way again and not true. You must confess your mortal sins to a priest. This is how Jesus set it up. Protestants deny the authority of the Church and the power of the priesthood so they ignore John 20:23. You would think it would bother them not being able to reconcile those words of Our Lord...nope.

The easy way...'baby Christians.'

yram ~ you and your institution have TOTALLY misunderstood this verse and misconstrued it, much to your detriment.

WE are to forgive one another as He forgives us. WE will be judged as WE judge others.

There is no mystical power given to certain men who claim to have the authority of Yeshua haMashiach through certain man-made teachings and doctrines. All who are indwelt by the Ruach ha'Kodesh, HAVE this same authority and retention given by our Mashiach.
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Also these are fallible man such as I am fallible. I fall all the time.

Now imagine a priest who is ravaged by the spirit of homosexuality (and this can be in any denomination because it exists also in every other religion)forgiving you of your sins? I'm sure priest who were abusing children were "forgiving" sins at the same time groping children.

Do you see the error in this?
Not just Catholic, but in any religion

(once again, I used the sexual abuse as an example we all know that sexual abuse transcends every religion not just catholics)


I am required to forgive but by no means have I the power to blot out sin.
1Ki 19:4 But he himself went a day’s journey into the wilderness, and came and sat down under a broom tree, and prayed that he might die, and said, “It is enough! Now, YAHUWAH, take my life, for I am no better than my fathers!”
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I will wait faithfully for the Catholic answers for our friends on this board.

you are looking for catholic answers to your questions?? That's easy enough to provide. All one has to do is regurgitate the spoon fed propanda fed to them.


That's what I thought. You pretend to be in the spirit.


Shamar is in the Spirit, the Holy Spirit, the Ruach Ha'Kodesh or YHWH.

This is different that the "spirit" of the RCC...you may know that spirit as Semiramis, Astarte, Diana, Cybele, Mary, Ashteroth, etc.

I understand that so many of you have invested your lives into learning a religion. You know your religion inside and out. You have pride of knowledge in that religion. It is a hard thing to admit that everything you have been taught is a lie...harder still to admit that those who taught you may have willfully deceived (though many of them are simply deceived themselves).

The Creator of the universe and His Sent One, YHWShA, our Messiah did NOT set up a religion. It has always been about relationship....the restoration of relationship through repentance and renewal/reaffirmation of the Covenant.

It is not just your religion, but all religions. The adherents to religion...I can SEE them in the stocks and chains of their bondage...all the while oblivious to their condition...never realizing that that your taskmasters give you bread that is full of worms and wine that is putrid and moldy.

In the fullness of the love of YHWH, I implore you, "COME OUT OF HER!"


Jesus set up one Church. Use the term YHWShA, His name is Jesus Christ. You are American, not Hebrew Deborah. You belong to a little bitty sect which you have personalized to an even smaller sect.

Who belongs to it? Deborah. You're not bound by anything,
no requirements...all personal opinion.

Thanks for not using vulgarity as you do sometimes, you are being ladylike and most important, Jesus doesn't want you to
use it.


LOL...the name "Jesus" didn't exist at the time the Messiah, whose name IS YHWShA (Yehoshua), walked in the flesh upon the earth. The letter "J" has only been around for a few hundred years. The early Latin translations couldn't have even said "Jesus". The earliest manuscripts(that we have available) of the "New Testament" weren't written in Latin or "Greek", but in Hellenistic. The Messiah was not a Greek, nor was he a Roman...HE WAS AN HEBREW, an Y'Isra'elite of the Tribe of Yehudah. You fail, yram!

And yes, yram, I AM HEBREW. My lineage includes the tribe of Benyahmin on my father's side and the tribes of Yehudah, Lewi, Benyahmin, and Simeon on my mother's side. I only live in the States...I am OF Y'Isra'el.

Again, no "church" in the Scriptures. A called out, set-apart assembly who return to the Covenant of YHWH through YHWShA Ha'Moshiach, yes.

You follow a religion. I have a relationship. It saddens me that you do not understand the difference.

Your religion demands sacraments...requiring you to follow those commandments of man down to the letter.

My relationship is about commandments/instructions in righteousness...the TORAH. YHWShA was/is the TORAH made flesh. My relationship is with the Father, YHWH through the Torah made flesh who gave the Holy Spirit/Ruach Ha'Kodesh to instruct us in all righteousness...which is found in TORAH.

I do appreciate that you recognize that I am not now nor will I be member to any organization which is man-made.

PS - The remnant is "itty-bitty" compared to the Mother Harlot of Rome...your point being what exactly?
 Quoting: PalmOfDeborah


Deborah,

The RCC is not a religion, it is the true faith. I have
a personal relationship with Jesus and God the Father and
God the Holy Spirit. You don't, you deny the Trinity.
There is more required, no matter how YAH S. or you tries to simplify it.

The world expanded since the time of Jesus lived on the earth, there are many languages. It's called a translation. You fail. You are not holier using the Hebrew
term and besides, you are American not Hebrew/Jewish.
You quote from the New Testament and then deny it? Quoting
from the New Testament means you accept St. Jerome's translation of the the Greek and Hebrew. Seee...you already
fail with your Torah talk.

All your same five or six points of Deborah's personal
theology are just that...your personal opinion. It's easier. How many times do you have to tell everyone Jesus
is not His name? There is more to our Justification.

Not going to answer any of your denials are you? Because
you can't. Deborah's preaching No Trinity, no continual sacrifice, the Bible dropped from Heaven, oh yeah, the Apostles got together and shared their writings...how old are you? God the Holy Spirit and Jesus is present in the Holy Eucharist is revealed in the Torah? There is nothing new in the New Covenant. It's all old, a renewal of
the Old.

The "Remnant" is a your personalized version, a denomination of Messianic Judaism begun a few years ago by a Protestant minister???
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Yup... A catholic brings scripture, history, meaning and fact, and what is it met with, Glp "Christians" pontificating about a name or half a verse. You "say" your former catholics, then make up stories why you will not answer the most basic questions, all the while lying about the faith. Sorry, but that is not how God rolls. NEVER would Christ or a follower lie and accuse in order to get their way.
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I will wait faithfully for the Catholic answers for our friends on this board.

you are looking for catholic answers to your questions?? That's easy enough to provide. All one has to do is regurgitate the spoon fed propanda fed to them.


That's what I thought. You pretend to be in the spirit.


Shamar is in the Spirit, the Holy Spirit, the Ruach Ha'Kodesh or YHWH.

This is different that the "spirit" of the RCC...you may know that spirit as Semiramis, Astarte, Diana, Cybele, Mary, Ashteroth, etc.

I understand that so many of you have invested your lives into learning a religion. You know your religion inside and out. You have pride of knowledge in that religion. It is a hard thing to admit that everything you have been taught is a lie...harder still to admit that those who taught you may have willfully deceived (though many of them are simply deceived themselves).

The Creator of the universe and His Sent One, YHWShA, our Messiah did NOT set up a religion. It has always been about relationship....the restoration of relationship through repentance and renewal/reaffirmation of the Covenant.

It is not just your religion, but all religions. The adherents to religion...I can SEE them in the stocks and chains of their bondage...all the while oblivious to their condition...never realizing that that your taskmasters give you bread that is full of worms and wine that is putrid and moldy.

In the fullness of the love of YHWH, I implore you, "COME OUT OF HER!"


Jesus set up one Church. Use the term YHWShA, His name is Jesus Christ. You are American, not Hebrew Deborah. You belong to a little bitty sect which you have personalized to an even smaller sect.

Who belongs to it? Deborah. You're not bound by anything,
no requirements...all personal opinion.

Thanks for not using vulgarity as you do sometimes, you are being ladylike and most important, Jesus doesn't want you to
use it.


LOL...the name "Jesus" didn't exist at the time the Messiah, whose name IS YHWShA (Yehoshua), walked in the flesh upon the earth. The letter "J" has only been around for a few hundred years. The early Latin translations couldn't have even said "Jesus". The earliest manuscripts(that we have available) of the "New Testament" weren't written in Latin or "Greek", but in Hellenistic. The Messiah was not a Greek, nor was he a Roman...HE WAS AN HEBREW, an Y'Isra'elite of the Tribe of Yehudah. You fail, yram!

And yes, yram, I AM HEBREW. My lineage includes the tribe of Benyahmin on my father's side and the tribes of Yehudah, Lewi, Benyahmin, and Simeon on my mother's side. I only live in the States...I am OF Y'Isra'el.

Again, no "church" in the Scriptures. A called out, set-apart assembly who return to the Covenant of YHWH through YHWShA Ha'Moshiach, yes.

You follow a religion. I have a relationship. It saddens me that you do not understand the difference.

Your religion demands sacraments...requiring you to follow those commandments of man down to the letter.

My relationship is about commandments/instructions in righteousness...the TORAH. YHWShA was/is the TORAH made flesh. My relationship is with the Father, YHWH through the Torah made flesh who gave the Holy Spirit/Ruach Ha'Kodesh to instruct us in all righteousness...which is found in TORAH.

I do appreciate that you recognize that I am not now nor will I be member to any organization which is man-made.

PS - The remnant is "itty-bitty" compared to the Mother Harlot of Rome...your point being what exactly?


Deborah,

The RCC is not a religion, it is the true faith. I have
a personal relationship with Jesus and God the Father and
God the Holy Spirit. You don't, you deny the Trinity.
There is more required, no matter how YAH S. or you tries to simplify it.

The world expanded since the time of Jesus lived on the earth, there are many languages. It's called a translation. You fail. You are not holier using the Hebrew
term and besides, you are American not Hebrew/Jewish.
You quote from the New Testament and then deny it? Quoting
from the New Testament means you accept St. Jerome's translation of the the Greek and Hebrew. Seee...you already
fail with your Torah talk.

All your same five or six points of Deborah's personal
theology are just that...your personal opinion. It's easier. How many times do you have to tell everyone Jesus
is not His name? There is more to our Justification.

Not going to answer any of your denials are you? Because
you can't. Deborah's preaching No Trinity, no continual sacrifice, the Bible dropped from Heaven, oh yeah, the Apostles got together and shared their writings...how old are you? God the Holy Spirit and Jesus is present in the Holy Eucharist is revealed in the Torah? There is nothing new in the New Covenant. It's all old, a renewal of
the Old.

The "Remnant" is a your personalized version, a denomination of Messianic Judaism begun a few years ago by a Protestant minister???
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1145321


Don't forget the thrust of "Mary" as:

Mediatrix
Redemtrix
Sinless
Never Died
Refuge of Sinners
Our Hope....

Yeah the twelve disciples spoke of this...
Yeah I was wrong...they mentioned her now didn't they.

How you have replaced the son of the living Eloah and you don't even know it...



Is Mary Omnipresent?

How can she answer billions of prayers at one time?
Hoe does she do this?

If she's omnipresent then she is on par with YHWH!
1Ki 19:4 But he himself went a day’s journey into the wilderness, and came and sat down under a broom tree, and prayed that he might die, and said, “It is enough! Now, YAHUWAH, take my life, for I am no better than my fathers!”
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Yup... A catholic brings scripture, history, meaning and fact, and what is it met with, Glp "Christians" pontificating about a name or half a verse. You "say" your former catholics, then make up stories why you will not answer the most basic questions, all the while lying about the faith. Sorry, but that is not how God rolls. NEVER would Christ or a follower lie and accuse in order to get their way.
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You said that catholics do not worship mary, and by insinuation they do not pray TO mary. Yet I showed you where jpII did. You have no comments to that?
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I shall post for the 1000th time it is in the Bible...confession to a priest. It is God's plan. Jesus said "whose sins you shall forgive" that eliminates your personal confession to God. The "easy" way again and not true. You must confess your mortal sins to a priest. This is how Jesus set it up. Protestants deny the authority of the Church and the power of the priesthood so they ignore John 20:23. You would think it would bother them not being able to reconcile those words of Our Lord...nope.

The easy way...'baby Christians.'

yram ~ you and your institution have TOTALLY misunderstood this verse and misconstrued it, much to your detriment.

WE are to forgive one another as He forgives us. WE will be judged as WE judge others.

There is no mystical power given to certain men who claim to have the authority of Yeshua haMashiach through certain man-made teachings and doctrines. All who are indwelt by the Ruach ha'Kodesh, HAVE this same authority and retention given by our Mashiach.



Also these are fallible man such as I am fallible. I fall all the time.


Now imagine a priest who is ravaged by the spirit of homosexuality (and this can be in any denomination because it exists also in every other religion)forgiving you of your sins? I'm sure priest who were abusing children were "forgiving" sins at the same time groping children.

Do you see the error in this?
Not just Catholic, but in any religion

(once again, I used the sexual abuse as an example we all know that sexual abuse transcends every religion not just catholics)


I am required to forgive but by no means have I the power to blot out sin.
 Quoting: YAH Stone Massive!


Your last is so juvenile, you're not a consecrated priest, no one is saying you have the power to forgive sins. Jesus
gave that power to His priests. In His place, they forgive
sins. In persona Christa. God's plan or John 20:23 is
an error.

And your first in bold is why Jesus said what He did after breathing on the Apostles, giving them the power to forgive sins. It's the plan, it's called confession. We sin every day. God forgives our serious sins (mortal) after the
priest's words of absolution.


If you have one unconfessed "mortal sin" on your soul, God
can't be in you. Period. You lose God's presence, His
grace in your soul.

And So what the priest scandal. You can't take away the words in John 20:23.

YAH S., your excuse doesn't work. Remember Judas? We have a sinful nature. That's why Jesus came to save us and to set up a means to His help when He left...it's called the Church. There is only one.

You don't have a reply for John 20:23. There are many
more holy priests, those that have fallen doesn't take
away the way God has set it up. Again, again, how do
you explain the words in John 20:23 if a personal, private
confession to God is the only thing required. You can't.
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Mary said:


Your last is so juvenile, you're not a consecrated priest, no one is saying you have the power to forgive sins. Jesus
gave that power to His priests. In His place, they forgive
sins. In persona Christa. God's plan or John 20:23 is
an error.


God's plan or John 20:23 is an error?

I meant to put a question mark in there. Fact, you have to
hear someone's words first to forgive them.
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John 20:23
21 He said therefore to them again: Peace be to you. As the Father hath sent me, I also send you. 22 When he had said this, he breathed on them; and he said to them: Receive ye the Holy Ghost. 23 Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained.


Explain John 20:23 if you deny we are to confess our sins
to a priest?

It's blaring at you, the revolters rejected the authority
of the Church in 1517, so denied the power of the priesthood.

Messianics, Messianic Judaism...there was an Old Testament
priesthood, where is the present priesthood in Protestantism,
in you offshoot?
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John 20:23
21 He said therefore to them again: Peace be to you. As the Father hath sent me, I also send you. 22 When he had said this, he breathed on them; and he said to them: Receive ye the Holy Ghost. 23 Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained.


Explain John 20:23 if you deny we are to confess our sins
to a priest?

It's blaring at you, the revolters rejected the authority
of the Church in 1517, so denied the power of the priesthood.

Messianics, Messianic Judaism...there was an Old Testament
priesthood, where is the present priesthood in Protestantism,
in you offshoot?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1145321

yram, EVERYBODY who has received the Ruach ha'Kodesh have been "breathed" upon.....
Love is like light. It is never constrained to its source; it shines on everything and tends to spread spontaneously, unless we block it! ~ Cosmic Swami
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I will wait faithfully for the Catholic answers for our friends on this board.

you are looking for catholic answers to your questions?? That's easy enough to provide. All one has to do is regurgitate the spoon fed propanda fed to them.



LOL. Run out of protests so Shamar resorts to asking questions about the faith she now denies. Why? To deflect, she has nothing left.

Where does it say in Scripture the Bible is our authority, you've never answered?
Give me the verse.

#2 - Where doe it say all of God's revelation is contained in the Bible? Give me the verse.

Your time spent at GLP, how sad, amounts to attacking the RCC and using a couple of Hebrew words to make the point you belong to a sect. You just repeated your "Bible Alone" belief today. Makes you Protestant Shamar, can't cover that with using a couple of Old Testament words. How juvenile.

scroll up yram ~ you missed my reply to you.


Missed it, Sharmar, saying the Bible is your authority is no evidence.

Where is that in the Bible? This is getting old. Book
and verse, post it.

______________________________________________________


If YHVH's word is not your authority, that is no skin off of my back.

You are roman catholic because you SAY you are, and you follow its teachings.

I am a follower of Yeshua because I SAY I am, and I follow His teachings.
 Quoting: Shamar


And you follow a man.

SEEE....the fact is right here. Sharmar can't give book
and verse!!! Why? "Bible Alone" is from Martin Luther
not God.

Sola Scriptura is not in Scripture.
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Mary said:


Your last is so juvenile, you're not a consecrated priest, no one is saying you have the power to forgive sins. Jesus
gave that power to His priests. In His place, they forgive
sins. In persona Christa. God's plan or John 20:23 is
an error.


God's plan or John 20:23 is an error?

I meant to put a question mark in there. Fact, you have to
hear someone's words first to forgive them.
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Anyone else here ever forgive someone for some wrong they did to you without them ever apologizing or even confessing what they did to you? Yeah, me too. This has to do with "LOVING YOUR NEIGHBOR", a concept that was taught in the Torah and repeated by the Torah made flesh, YHWShA (Yehoshua). We are to remember that we too fall short of the glory of YHWH and in our desire for His mercy, we should show forth mercy to one another.

The "faith" of Catholicism is replete with ritualistic religiosity. It has ZERO to do with Covenant Relationship.

BTW, I am NOT a baby christian....I am not a "christian" at all. I am of the seed of Abraham and a child of YHWH through the reconciliation made by YHWShA, my Beloved. I am sorry that is too difficult for you to understand, yram.

I quote from all Scripture, not just the canon which was given the RCC stamp of approval. I have also studied manuscripts that predate your Jerome. I quote from the Word of YHWH as needed in a given conversation.

I forgive you for your mean talk towards me for you know not what you say. I also pray YHWH will do the same of your mean talk towards Him, His Son, and His Spirit.

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I will wait faithfully for the Catholic answers for our friends on this board.

you are looking for catholic answers to your questions?? That's easy enough to provide. All one has to do is regurgitate the spoon fed propanda fed to them.



LOL. Run out of protests so Shamar resorts to asking questions about the faith she now denies. Why? To deflect, she has nothing left.

Where does it say in Scripture the Bible is our authority, you've never answered?
Give me the verse.

#2 - Where doe it say all of God's revelation is contained in the Bible? Give me the verse.

Your time spent at GLP, how sad, amounts to attacking the RCC and using a couple of Hebrew words to make the point you belong to a sect. You just repeated your "Bible Alone" belief today. Makes you Protestant Shamar, can't cover that with using a couple of Old Testament words. How juvenile.

scroll up yram ~ you missed my reply to you.


Missed it, Sharmar, saying the Bible is your authority is no evidence.

Where is that in the Bible? This is getting old. Book
and verse, post it.

______________________________________________________


If YHVH's word is not your authority, that is no skin off of my back.

You are roman catholic because you SAY you are, and you follow its teachings.

I am a follower of Yeshua because I SAY I am, and I follow His teachings.


And you follow a man.

SEEE....the fact is right here. Sharmar can't give book
and verse!!! Why? "Bible Alone" is from Martin Luther
not God.

Sola Scriptura is not in Scripture.
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There is something seriously wrong with you. You do not read my posts therefore, I am going to just stop responding to you.
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Yup... A catholic brings scripture, history, meaning and fact, and what is it met with, Glp "Christians" pontificating about a name or half a verse. You "say" your former catholics, then make up stories why you will not answer the most basic questions, all the while lying about the faith. Sorry, but that is not how God rolls. NEVER would Christ or a follower lie and accuse in order to get their way.

You said that catholics do not worship mary, and by insinuation they do not pray TO mary. Yet I showed you where jpII did. You have no comments to that?
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Your credibility is shot. I will pray for you. That is all I can do.
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John 20:23
21 He said therefore to them again: Peace be to you. As the Father hath sent me, I also send you. 22 When he had said this, he breathed on them; and he said to them: Receive ye the Holy Ghost. 23 Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained.


Explain John 20:23 if you deny we are to confess our sins
to a priest?

It's blaring at you, the revolters rejected the authority
of the Church in 1517, so denied the power of the priesthood.

Messianics, Messianic Judaism...there was an Old Testament
priesthood, where is the present priesthood in Protestantism,
in you offshoot?

yram, EVERYBODY who has received the Ruach ha'Kodesh have been "breathed" upon.....
 Quoting: Shamar


Shamar,

What is the Ruach ha' Kodesh? Is this your Hebrew holier
than though way of saying God the Holy Spirit?

What? I thought Messianics denied the Trinity?

And lame besides....

Jesus was speaking to the Apostles not all in John 20:23.
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Yup... A catholic brings scripture, history, meaning and fact, and what is it met with, Glp "Christians" pontificating about a name or half a verse. You "say" your former catholics, then make up stories why you will not answer the most basic questions, all the while lying about the faith. Sorry, but that is not how God rolls. NEVER would Christ or a follower lie and accuse in order to get their way.

You said that catholics do not worship mary, and by insinuation they do not pray TO mary. Yet I showed you where jpII did. You have no comments to that?



Your credibility is shot. I will pray for you. That is all I can do.
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care to elaborate? How is my credibility shot?
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John 20:23
21 He said therefore to them again: Peace be to you. As the Father hath sent me, I also send you. 22 When he had said this, he breathed on them; and he said to them: Receive ye the Holy Ghost. 23 Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained.


Explain John 20:23 if you deny we are to confess our sins
to a priest?

It's blaring at you, the revolters rejected the authority
of the Church in 1517, so denied the power of the priesthood.

Messianics, Messianic Judaism...there was an Old Testament
priesthood, where is the present priesthood in Protestantism,
in you offshoot?

yram, EVERYBODY who has received the Ruach ha'Kodesh have been "breathed" upon.....


Shamar,

What is the Ruach ha' Kodesh? Is this your Hebrew holier
than though way of saying God the Holy Spirit?

What? I thought Messianics denied the Trinity?

And lame besides....

Jesus was speaking to the Apostles not all in John 20:23.
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There is something seriously wrong with you.

FURTHERMORE, You do not read my posts therefore, I am going to just stop responding to you.
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1Ki 19:4 But he himself went a day’s journey into the wilderness, and came and sat down under a broom tree, and prayed that he might die, and said, “It is enough! Now, YAHUWAH, take my life, for I am no better than my fathers!”
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I meant to type holier than "thou"...oops.
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John 20:23
21 He said therefore to them again: Peace be to you. As the Father hath sent me, I also send you. 22 When he had said this, he breathed on them; and he said to them: Receive ye the Holy Ghost. 23 Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained.


Explain John 20:23 if you deny we are to confess our sins
to a priest?

It's blaring at you, the revolters rejected the authority
of the Church in 1517, so denied the power of the priesthood.

Messianics, Messianic Judaism...there was an Old Testament
priesthood, where is the present priesthood in Protestantism,
in you offshoot?

yram, EVERYBODY who has received the Ruach ha'Kodesh have been "breathed" upon.....


Shamar,

What is the Ruach ha' Kodesh? Is this your Hebrew holier
than though way of saying God the Holy Spirit?

What? I thought Messianics denied the Trinity?

And lame besides....

Jesus was speaking to the Apostles not all in John 20:23.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1145321

The Hebrew word qodesh and the equivalent Greek word hagios, together with their derivatives, have been translated with one of three words, or derivatives, in our older English versions, namely: holy, hallowed, or sanctified. Another word is also used in modern versions, and generally in ecclesiastical literature, namely: sacred. Most of us have the idea that this word has the meaning of piety, or being pious, or to be devout. However, this conception is refuted when we read in Isa. 66:17 of the idolatrous people "who sanctify (qadash) themselves and purify themselves, to go to the gardens after an idol in the midst, eating swine's flesh and the abomination and the mouse ...." This refutation of the incorrect idea that "holy" means "to be pious", is further confirmed by the shocking discovery that one of the Hebrew words for a harlot (whore) is qedeshah, a derivative of qadash! Likewise, a male prostitute (or sodomite) is called a qadesh in Hebrew. This then causes us to seek for the real meaning of the word qodesh (its verb being qadash) and its Greek equivalent hagios. The Interpreter's Dictionary of the Bible, vol. 2, p. 817, summarises what most authorities say about qodesh and hagios, ". . . the meaning of 'separation' is paramount ... the more elemental meaning seems to lie with 'separation'." The same dictionary, in vol. 4, p.210, says, "The basic sense of the Hebrew root qadash, as of its Greek equivalent in the Bible—hagios, seems to be 'separateness'." Likewise, Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words repeatedly emphasises the fact of the fundamental meaning of the word to be: "separation" (see under "holiness" and "sanctification"). With the discovery of the true meaning of this word, namely, separate and separation, we can now understand why qodesh is used in a positive sense, a good sense, and that it can equally be used in a negative and evil sense. Someone is, or something is separated unto Yahuweh, or he/it is separated unto evil. Thus, the word qodesh applies to both.
Why then, if the Hebrew word qodesh as well as the Greek hagios both mean "separation", why has the word "holy" been used instead? Is it possible that the father of all lies, the Great Deceiver, had cunningly proceeded with his master plan of bringing idolatrous worship into True Worship? Has the "Mystery Man" behind "Mystery of Lawlessness" and "Mystery Babylon" been active again? (see Jer. 16:19-21, Isa. 25:7, Isa. 30:28, Rev. 17:2,4,5, as well as 2 Thess. 2:7). Indeed, we do find evidence of his veiled, his hidden, his mysterious work. In The Oxford English Dictionary, vol. 5, p. 345, under "Holy", we read, ". . . the primitive pre-Christian meaning is uncertain . . . Its earlier application to heathen deities is found in ON [Old Norse]." Likewise, we read in the big Netherland's Woordenboek der Nederlandsche Taal, vol. 6, p. 455 (I translate), "An explanation of the original meaning, that makes it clear as to how this adjective has obtained the meaning of the Latin sanctus, has not yet been given — For speculations, see e.g. KLUGE, FRANCK AND MURRAY." But we did discover the origin of the word "holy". In G. Jobes, Dictionary of Mythology Folklore and Symbols, p. 781, we read, "HOLY: In practically all languages, the word for holy has been derived from the divinely honored sun." We found confirmation in Forlong's Encyclopedia of Religions, as follows, "HOLI: The Great Hindu spring festival .. . held in honour of Krishna, as the spring sun-god . . . a personified woman called Holi . . . Holi had tried to poison the babe Krishna ...." Further revealing evidence was yet to come. In Strong's Concordance, in the Greek Lexicon No. 1506, we found the following: "heile (the sun's ray)"—this is pronounced: heilei. This form is almost identical to the German and Dutch equivalent of the English "holy". The meaning of "halo", the ring on top of a saint's head, now became clear to us. And this was confirmed in J.C. Cooper, An Illustrated Encyclopaedia of Traditional Symbols, p. 112, "NIMBUS, HALO, or AUREOLE: Originally indicative of solar power and the sun's disk, hence an attribute of sun-gods."
The truth of this most disturbing find stunned us. We simply could not handle it. Gradually we came to understand. The Great Deceiver will not make the mistake of diverting the worship towards himself. By just diverting it to the innocent sun, Satan would succeed in his master plan by firstly veiling, and then bringing into the Temple the "wicked abomination", as Elohim had called this Sun-mixed worship (Eze. 8:9-16). It is well known how pictures of our Messiah, of Mary, and of a great number of saints were adorned with a sun-disc (nimbus), or halo, or sun-rays, thereby identifying him/her with the Sun-deity, or even only being taken as blessed by the Sun-deity. With the word "holy" being applied to the Spirit of Yahuweh, called in Hebrew Ruach ha Qodesh the enormous challenge was put to us: Can we continue to use the word "Holy Spirit"? Ruach ha Qodesh simply means: "The Spirit of Separation". Can we continue bringing homage to the Sun, once the truth has been revealed to us, and be found guilty of participating in the "wicked abominations" of Eze. 8:9-16?
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Back to "questions" to deflect from answering your
denial of the Bible...specifically Our Lord's words in
John 20:23.

Explain, how can someone hear your sins unless you confess
them? A personal confession to God of all your sins (mortal
included) cancels John 20:23. How is that?

Protestants protesting God's plan...that's how.
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John 20:23
21 He said therefore to them again: Peace be to you. As the Father hath sent me, I also send you. 22 When he had said this, he breathed on them; and he said to them: Receive ye the Holy Ghost. 23 Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained.


Explain John 20:23 if you deny we are to confess our sins
to a priest?

It's blaring at you, the revolters rejected the authority
of the Church in 1517, so denied the power of the priesthood.

Messianics, Messianic Judaism...there was an Old Testament
priesthood, where is the present priesthood in Protestantism,
in you offshoot?

yram, EVERYBODY who has received the Ruach ha'Kodesh have been "breathed" upon.....


Shamar,

What is the Ruach ha' Kodesh? Is this your Hebrew holier
than though way of saying God the Holy Spirit?

What? I thought Messianics denied the Trinity?

And lame besides....

Jesus was speaking to the Apostles not all in John 20:23.

The Hebrew word qodesh and the equivalent Greek word hagios, together with their derivatives, have been translated with one of three words, or derivatives, in our older English versions, namely: holy, hallowed, or sanctified. Another word is also used in modern versions, and generally in ecclesiastical literature, namely: sacred. Most of us have the idea that this word has the meaning of piety, or being pious, or to be devout. However, this conception is refuted when we read in Isa. 66:17 of the idolatrous people "who sanctify (qadash) themselves and purify themselves, to go to the gardens after an idol in the midst, eating swine's flesh and the abomination and the mouse ...." This refutation of the incorrect idea that "holy" means "to be pious", is further confirmed by the shocking discovery that one of the Hebrew words for a harlot (whore) is qedeshah, a derivative of qadash! Likewise, a male prostitute (or sodomite) is called a qadesh in Hebrew. This then causes us to seek for the real meaning of the word qodesh (its verb being qadash) and its Greek equivalent hagios. The Interpreter's Dictionary of the Bible, vol. 2, p. 817, summarises what most authorities say about qodesh and hagios, ". . . the meaning of 'separation' is paramount ... the more elemental meaning seems to lie with 'separation'." The same dictionary, in vol. 4, p.210, says, "The basic sense of the Hebrew root qadash, as of its Greek equivalent in the Bible—hagios, seems to be 'separateness'." Likewise, Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words repeatedly emphasises the fact of the fundamental meaning of the word to be: "separation" (see under "holiness" and "sanctification"). With the discovery of the true meaning of this word, namely, separate and separation, we can now understand why qodesh is used in a positive sense, a good sense, and that it can equally be used in a negative and evil sense. Someone is, or something is separated unto Yahuweh, or he/it is separated unto evil. Thus, the word qodesh applies to both.
Why then, if the Hebrew word qodesh as well as the Greek hagios both mean "separation", why has the word "holy" been used instead? Is it possible that the father of all lies, the Great Deceiver, had cunningly proceeded with his master plan of bringing idolatrous worship into True Worship? Has the "Mystery Man" behind "Mystery of Lawlessness" and "Mystery Babylon" been active again? (see Jer. 16:19-21, Isa. 25:7, Isa. 30:28, Rev. 17:2,4,5, as well as 2 Thess. 2:7). Indeed, we do find evidence of his veiled, his hidden, his mysterious work. In The Oxford English Dictionary, vol. 5, p. 345, under "Holy", we read, ". . . the primitive pre-Christian meaning is uncertain . . . Its earlier application to heathen deities is found in ON [Old Norse]." Likewise, we read in the big Netherland's Woordenboek der Nederlandsche Taal, vol. 6, p. 455 (I translate), "An explanation of the original meaning, that makes it clear as to how this adjective has obtained the meaning of the Latin sanctus, has not yet been given — For speculations, see e.g. KLUGE, FRANCK AND MURRAY." But we did discover the origin of the word "holy". In G. Jobes, Dictionary of Mythology Folklore and Symbols, p. 781, we read, "HOLY: In practically all languages, the word for holy has been derived from the divinely honored sun." We found confirmation in Forlong's Encyclopedia of Religions, as follows, "HOLI: The Great Hindu spring festival .. . held in honour of Krishna, as the spring sun-god . . . a personified woman called Holi . . . Holi had tried to poison the babe Krishna ...." Further revealing evidence was yet to come. In Strong's Concordance, in the Greek Lexicon No. 1506, we found the following: "heile (the sun's ray)"—this is pronounced: heilei. This form is almost identical to the German and Dutch equivalent of the English "holy". The meaning of "halo", the ring on top of a saint's head, now became clear to us. And this was confirmed in J.C. Cooper, An Illustrated Encyclopaedia of Traditional Symbols, p. 112, "NIMBUS, HALO, or AUREOLE: Originally indicative of solar power and the sun's disk, hence an attribute of sun-gods."
The truth of this most disturbing find stunned us. We simply could not handle it. Gradually we came to understand. The Great Deceiver will not make the mistake of diverting the worship towards himself. By just diverting it to the innocent sun, Satan would succeed in his master plan by firstly veiling, and then bringing into the Temple the "wicked abomination", as Elohim had called this Sun-mixed worship (Eze. 8:9-16). It is well known how pictures of our Messiah, of Mary, and of a great number of saints were adorned with a sun-disc (nimbus), or halo, or sun-rays, thereby identifying him/her with the Sun-deity, or even only being taken as blessed by the Sun-deity. With the word "holy" being applied to the Spirit of Yahuweh, called in Hebrew Ruach ha Qodesh the enormous challenge was put to us: Can we continue to use the word "Holy Spirit"? Ruach ha Qodesh simply means: "The Spirit of Separation". Can we continue bringing homage to the Sun, once the truth has been revealed to us, and be found guilty of participating in the "wicked abominations" of Eze. 8:9-16?
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Give a link...ten bucks it's anti-Catholic.

What in the world is all of the above?

Going away from direct simple questions because you can't
answer them. Explain John 20:23 Sharma. What was that
term you just used...I asked. Are you talking about
God the Holy Spirit?
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yram, EVERYBODY who has received the Ruach ha'Kodesh have been "breathed" upon.....

___ ____ _____ _____

Shamar,

What is the Ruach ha' Kodesh?
Is this your Hebrew holier
than though way of saying God the Holy Spirit?

What? I thought Messianics denied the Trinity?

And lame besides....

Jesus was speaking to the Apostles not all in John 20:23.
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In your words, Shamar, is this God the Holy Spirit? Why
can't you answer a simple question? You run away.

You complain Catholics don't use their own words to explain
and you follow with a half page of who knows what cut and
paste.

In your own words, agaubm is this a term for God the Holy Spirit?
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yram, EVERYBODY who has received the Ruach ha'Kodesh have been "breathed" upon.....

___ ____ _____ _____

Shamar,

What is the Ruach ha' Kodesh?
Is this your Hebrew holier
than though way of saying God the Holy Spirit?

What? I thought Messianics denied the Trinity?

And lame besides....

Jesus was speaking to the Apostles not all in John 20:23.


In your words, Shamar, is this God the Holy Spirit? Why
can't you answer a simple question? You run away.

You complain Catholics don't use their own words to explain
and you follow with a half page of who knows what cut and
paste.

In your own words, agaubm is this a term for God the Holy Spirit?
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Maybe if you would read what was posted you might learn something.

You are nothing but a bully.
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Yup... A catholic brings scripture, history, meaning and fact, and what is it met with, Glp "Christians" pontificating about a name or half a verse. You "say" your former catholics, then make up stories why you will not answer the most basic questions, all the while lying about the faith. Sorry, but that is not how God rolls. NEVER would Christ or a follower lie and accuse in order to get their way.

You said that catholics do not worship mary, and by insinuation they do not pray TO mary. Yet I showed you where jpII did. You have no comments to that?



Your credibility is shot. I will pray for you. That is all I can do.

care to elaborate? How is my credibility shot?
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I did pray for you. While saying a prayer for you' I was reminded of the parable with the two men praying. So I repented for my foolishness. I will try in the future to post only positive posts.
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Yup... A catholic brings scripture, history, meaning and fact, and what is it met with, Glp "Christians" pontificating about a name or half a verse. You "say" your former catholics, then make up stories why you will not answer the most basic questions, all the while lying about the faith. Sorry, but that is not how God rolls. NEVER would Christ or a follower lie and accuse in order to get their way.

You said that catholics do not worship mary, and by insinuation they do not pray TO mary. Yet I showed you where jpII did. You have no comments to that?



Your credibility is shot. I will pray for you. That is all I can do.

care to elaborate? How is my credibility shot?


I did pray for you. While saying a prayer for you' I was reminded of the parable with the two men praying. So I repented for my foolishness. I will try in the future to post only positive posts.
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I understand that we are all a work in progress, but I am still curious as to how my credibility is shot with you....what are you referring to?
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The Hebrew word qodesh and the equivalent Greek word hagios, together with their derivatives, have been translated with one of three words, or derivatives, in our older English versions, namely: holy, hallowed, or sanctified. Another word is also used in modern versions, and generally in ecclesiastical literature, namely: sacred. Most of us have the idea that this word has the meaning of piety, or being pious, or to be devout. However, this conception is refuted when we read in Isa. 66:17 of the idolatrous people "who sanctify (qadash) themselves and purify themselves, to go to the gardens after an idol in the midst, eating swine's flesh and the abomination and the mouse ...." This refutation of the incorrect idea that "holy" means "to be pious", is further confirmed by the shocking discovery that one of the Hebrew words for a harlot (whore) is qedeshah, a derivative of qadash! Likewise, a male prostitute (or sodomite) is called a qadesh in Hebrew. This then causes us to seek for the real meaning of the word qodesh (its verb being qadash) and its Greek equivalent hagios. The Interpreter's Dictionary of the Bible, vol. 2, p. 817, summarises what most authorities say about qodesh and hagios, ". . . the meaning of 'separation' is paramount ... the more elemental meaning seems to lie with 'separation'." The same dictionary, in vol. 4, p.210, says, "The basic sense of the Hebrew root qadash, as of its Greek equivalent in the Bible—hagios, seems to be 'separateness'." Likewise, Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words repeatedly emphasises the fact of the fundamental meaning of the word to be: "separation" (see under "holiness" and "sanctification"). With the discovery of the true meaning of this word, namely, separate and separation, we can now understand why qodesh is used in a positive sense, a good sense, and that it can equally be used in a negative and evil sense. Someone is, or something is separated unto Yahuweh, or he/it is separated unto evil. Thus, the word qodesh applies to both.
Why then, if the Hebrew word qodesh as well as the Greek hagios both mean "separation", why has the word "holy" been used instead? Is it possible that the father of all lies, the Great Deceiver, had cunningly proceeded with his master plan of bringing idolatrous worship into True Worship? Has the "Mystery Man" behind "Mystery of Lawlessness" and "Mystery Babylon" been active again? (see Jer. 16:19-21, Isa. 25:7, Isa. 30:28, Rev. 17:2,4,5, as well as 2 Thess. 2:7). Indeed, we do find evidence of his veiled, his hidden, his mysterious work. In The Oxford English Dictionary, vol. 5, p. 345, under "Holy", we read, ". . . the primitive pre-Christian meaning is uncertain . . . Its earlier application to heathen deities is found in ON [Old Norse]." Likewise, we read in the big Netherland's Woordenboek der Nederlandsche Taal, vol. 6, p. 455 (I translate), "An explanation of the original meaning, that makes it clear as to how this adjective has obtained the meaning of the Latin sanctus, has not yet been given — For speculations, see e.g. KLUGE, FRANCK AND MURRAY." But we did discover the origin of the word "holy". In G. Jobes, Dictionary of Mythology Folklore and Symbols, p. 781, we read, "HOLY: In practically all languages, the word for holy has been derived from the divinely honored sun." We found confirmation in Forlong's Encyclopedia of Religions, as follows, "HOLI: The Great Hindu spring festival .. . held in honour of Krishna, as the spring sun-god . . . a personified woman called Holi . . . Holi had tried to poison the babe Krishna ...." Further revealing evidence was yet to come. In Strong's Concordance, in the Greek Lexicon No. 1506, we found the following: "heile (the sun's ray)"—this is pronounced: heilei. This form is almost identical to the German and Dutch equivalent of the English "holy". The meaning of "halo", the ring on top of a saint's head, now became clear to us. And this was confirmed in J.C. Cooper, An Illustrated Encyclopaedia of Traditional Symbols, p. 112, "NIMBUS, HALO, or AUREOLE: Originally indicative of solar power and the sun's disk, hence an attribute of sun-gods."
The truth of this most disturbing find stunned us. We simply could not handle it. Gradually we came to understand. The Great Deceiver will not make the mistake of diverting the worship towards himself. By just diverting it to the innocent sun, Satan would succeed in his master plan by firstly veiling, and then bringing into the Temple the "wicked abomination", as Elohim had called this Sun-mixed worship (Eze. 8:9-16). It is well known how pictures of our Messiah, of Mary, and of a great number of saints were adorned with a sun-disc (nimbus), or halo, or sun-rays, thereby identifying him/her with the Sun-deity, or even only being taken as blessed by the Sun-deity. With the word "holy" being applied to the Spirit of Yahuweh, called in Hebrew Ruach ha Qodesh the enormous challenge was put to us: Can we continue to use the word "Holy Spirit"? Ruach ha Qodesh simply means: "The Spirit of Separation". Can we continue bringing homage to the Sun, once the truth has been revealed to us, and be found guilty of participating in the "wicked abominations" of Eze. 8:9-16?
 Quoting: Shamar



Wow! Thanks Shamar! I knew Qodesh meant "set-apart" or separated, but I did not know what you shared about "holy". It all fits so perfectly well though...the Great Deception indeed!! Jerome's bible is not innocent mis-interpretation nor are those translated from it...the Mystery of Iniquity/Lawlessness is interwoven throughout.
The greatest illusion is the illusion of separation.
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Is Mary "Omnipresent?"

well is she?


Back to "questions" to deflect from answering your
denial of the Bible...specifically Our Lord's words in
John 20:23.

Explain, how can someone hear your sins unless you confess
them? A personal confession to God of all your sins (mortal
included) cancels John 20:23. How is that?

Protestants protesting God's plan...that's how.
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Because you know my answer. Yahuwshuwa say's if we can't forgive our brother we can't be forgiven. That is why we ask for forgiveness when we trespass against our brethren.

You will take that one verse out of context of course and wedge the word "priest" in the above like it belongs there.


Acts 2
38Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.


Yahuwshuwa alone has been given this authority to forgive sin not man.

Where does peter set up a confessional in Acts?
So that he may know everybody's dirty laundry?
Their dirty little secrets?



Once again the RCC implies.


I disagree with you and you know that.

So,

Is Mary Omnipresent?
You should be about 30 minutes into your web search to find out what the RCC says...
1Ki 19:4 But he himself went a day’s journey into the wilderness, and came and sat down under a broom tree, and prayed that he might die, and said, “It is enough! Now, YAHUWAH, take my life, for I am no better than my fathers!”
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I will wait faithfully for the Catholic answers for our friends on this board.

you are looking for catholic answers to your questions?? That's easy enough to provide. All one has to do is regurgitate the spoon fed propanda fed to them.


That's what I thought. You pretend to be in the spirit.


Shamar is in the Spirit, the Holy Spirit, the Ruach Ha'Kodesh or YHWH.

This is different that the "spirit" of the RCC...you may know that spirit as Semiramis, Astarte, Diana, Cybele, Mary, Ashteroth, etc.

I understand that so many of you have invested your lives into learning a religion. You know your religion inside and out. You have pride of knowledge in that religion. It is a hard thing to admit that everything you have been taught is a lie...harder still to admit that those who taught you may have willfully deceived (though many of them are simply deceived themselves).

The Creator of the universe and His Sent One, YHWShA, our Messiah did NOT set up a religion. It has always been about relationship....the restoration of relationship through repentance and renewal/reaffirmation of the Covenant.

It is not just your religion, but all religions. The adherents to religion...I can SEE them in the stocks and chains of their bondage...all the while oblivious to their condition...never realizing that that your taskmasters give you bread that is full of worms and wine that is putrid and moldy.

In the fullness of the love of YHWH, I implore you, "COME OUT OF HER!"


+ + +

Jesus set up one Church. Use the term YHWShA, His name is Jesus Christ. You are American, not Hebrew Deborah. You belong to a little bitty sect which you have personalized to an even smaller sect.

Who belongs to it? Deborah. You're not bound by anything,
no requirements...all personal opinion.

Thanks for not using vulgarity as you do sometimes, you are being ladylike and most important, Jesus doesn't want you to
use it.


LOL...the name "Jesus" didn't exist at the time the Messiah, whose name IS YHWShA (Yehoshua), walked in the flesh upon the earth. The letter "J" has only been around for a few hundred years. The early Latin translations couldn't have even said "Jesus". The earliest manuscripts(that we have available) of the "New Testament" weren't written in Latin or "Greek", but in Hellenistic. The Messiah was not a Greek, nor was he a Roman...HE WAS AN HEBREW, an Y'Isra'elite of the Tribe of Yehudah. You fail, yram!

And yes, yram, I AM HEBREW. My lineage includes the tribe of Benyahmin on my father's side and the tribes of Yehudah, Lewi, Benyahmin, and Simeon on my mother's side. I only live in the States...I am OF Y'Isra'el.

Again, no "church" in the Scriptures. A called out, set-apart assembly who return to the Covenant of YHWH through YHWShA Ha'Moshiach, yes.

You follow a religion. I have a relationship. It saddens me that you do not understand the difference.

Your religion demands sacraments...requiring you to follow those commandments of man down to the letter.

My relationship is about commandments/instructions in righteousness...the TORAH. YHWShA was/is the TORAH made flesh. My relationship is with the Father, YHWH through the Torah made flesh who gave the Holy Spirit/Ruach Ha'Kodesh to instruct us in all righteousness...which is found in TORAH.

I do appreciate that you recognize that I am not now nor will I be member to any organization which is man-made.

PS - The remnant is "itty-bitty" compared to the Mother Harlot of Rome...your point being what exactly?


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Deborah,

The RCC is not a religion, it is the true faith. I have
a personal relationship with Jesus and God the Father and
God the Holy Spirit. You don't, you deny the Trinity.
There is more required, no matter how YAH S. or you tries to simplify it.

The world expanded since the time of Jesus lived on the earth, there are many languages. It's called a translation. You fail. You are not holier using the Hebrew
term and besides, you are American not Hebrew/Jewish.
You quote from the New Testament and then deny it? Quoting
from the New Testament means you accept St. Jerome's translation of the the Greek and Hebrew. Seee...you already
fail with your Torah talk.

All your same five or six points of Deborah's personal
theology are just that...your personal opinion. It's easier. How many times do you have to tell everyone Jesus
is not His name? There is more to our Justification.

Not going to answer any of your denials are you? Because
you can't. Deborah's preaching No Trinity, no continual sacrifice, the Bible dropped from Heaven, oh yeah, the Apostles got together and shared their writings...how old are you? God the Holy Spirit and Jesus is present in the Holy Eucharist is revealed in the Torah? There is nothing new in the New Covenant. It's all old, a renewal of
the Old.


The "Remnant" is a your personalized version, a denomination of Messianic Judaism begun a few years ago by a Protestant minister???
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Until you can explain all your denials with something other
than saying the Holy Trinity isn't so or childishly professing the Apostles got together and shared their writings...poof..the Bible!

You are going to be call on it.

How could anyone foolishly believe that the first Christians
would get it wrong, that the Apostles...John the Beloved
Apostle and all of the others...even Paul! His conversion
didn't happen as written in Scripture. Nonsense threads
at GLP.

You know better, 20 centuries later, right!! No, how foolish. Jesus wants everyone to believe the same Deborah, He said it. Come out of your personalized sect. Jesus wants you to believe in the Holy Eucharist. His gift to us all.

You can become Roman Catholic...your pride is stopping
you.
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Is Mary "Omnipresent?"

well is she?


Back to "questions" to deflect from answering your
denial of the Bible...specifically Our Lord's words in
John 20:23.

Explain, how can someone hear your sins unless you confess
them? A personal confession to God of all your sins (mortal
included) cancels John 20:23. How is that?

Protestants protesting God's plan...that's how.



Because you know my answer. Yahuwshuwa say's if we can't forgive our brother we can't be forgiven. That is why we ask for forgiveness when we trespass against our brethren.

You will take that one verse out of context of course and wedge the word "priest" in the above like it belongs there.


Acts 2
38Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.


Yahuwshuwa alone has been given this authority to forgive sin not man.

Where does peter set up a confessional in Acts?
So that he may know everybody's dirty laundry?
Their dirty little secrets?



Once again the RCC implies.


I disagree with you and you know that.

So,

Is Mary Omnipresent?
You should be about 30 minutes into your web search to find out what the RCC says...
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The Protestant tactic. I asked you to specifically explain
John 20:23. And you still haven't. Always going somewhere
else.

You're so juvenile in your replies. Where is the "Bible
Alone" in Scripture? Sharmar can't give the verse, no
Protestant can because it's not true. There is the oral
tradition of the Apostles passed down besides the written
Word. There is more to God's revelation, try to understand. This is where you will find discipline of the confessional. Mock the confessional. You can't...once again...explain John 20:23?

Lame and childish.

How can someone forgive your sins, if they don't hear them
first YAH Stone?
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Yup... A catholic brings scripture, history, meaning and fact, and what is it met with, Glp "Christians" pontificating about a name or half a verse. You "say" your former catholics, then make up stories why you will not answer the most basic questions, all the while lying about the faith. Sorry, but that is not how God rolls. NEVER would Christ or a follower lie and accuse in order to get their way.

You said that catholics do not worship mary, and by insinuation they do not pray TO mary. Yet I showed you where jpII did. You have no comments to that?



Your credibility is shot. I will pray for you. That is all I can do.

care to elaborate? How is my credibility shot?


I did pray for you. While saying a prayer for you' I was reminded of the parable with the two men praying. So I repented for my foolishness. I will try in the future to post only positive posts.


I understand that we are all a work in progress, but I am still curious as to how my credibility is shot with you....what are you referring to?
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You will not post what Catholics believe in an honest manor. Truth in what we post is a must in this discussion. There can not be a dialog without honest representation of opposing views.





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