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Unemployment Smoke & Mirrors for September

 
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The seasonally-adjusted SGS Alternate Unemployment Rate reflects current unemployment reporting methodology adjusted for SGS-estimated long-term discouraged workers, who were defined out of official existence in 1994. That estimate is added to the BLS estimate of U-6 unemployment, which includes short-term discouraged workers.

The U-3 unemployment rate is the monthly headline number. The U-6 unemployment rate is the Bureau of Labor Statistics’ (BLS) broadest unemployment measure, including short-term discouraged and other marginally-attached workers as well as those forced to work part-time because they cannot find full-time employment. [link to www.shadowstats.com] (More at posted link.)

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Gallup Finds U.S. Unemployment at 10.1% in September
Underemployment, at 18.8%, is up from 18.6% at the end of August

by Dennis Jacobe, Chief Economist [link to www.gallup.com]
PRINCETON, NJ -- Unemployment, as measured by Gallup without seasonal adjustment, increased to 10.1% in September -- up sharply from 9.3% in August and 8.9% in July. Much of this increase came during the second half of the month -- the unemployment rate was 9.4% in mid-September -- and therefore is unlikely to be picked up in the government's unemployment report on Friday. (Chart/More at posted link.)

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there it is...the Real numbers.
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student loan = employed
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there it is...the Real numbers.
 Quoting: Phennommennonn


It's almost meaningless ~ so many people have dropped OFF the rolls it's impossible to count. Mix it in with the aid & food stamp numbers and toss in the foreclosures ~ it's plain to see the wheels have flown off this bitch.
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So 23% unemployment uh? Nice.
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student loan = employed
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White is black and vice-versa...

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I noticed yesterday they said it was higher than 10% but this morning news dropped it back down to 9.6%. What bunch of liars they are.
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Private-sector payroll employment continued to trend up modestly (+64,000). (More Party-line BS here: [link to www.bls.gov] )
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Just curious - what makes you think it's BS?
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daj drew sent out over 37 appz, bc he lost his job again after 3 months. he employed by a temp agency right now. i sent him back to college. he pulling dbl duty right now. but despite the economy im opening biz number 3 and he will work for me. im done with pvt sector. fuck them.

the ed he will get in 2 yrs, assoc degree i will have a job for him with scientific game. (theyre one of my customers wink ) but he will be going for the BA

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political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.
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And so it begins.

Let the societal meltdown commence.
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So 23% unemployment uh? Nice.
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Canada is not much better ~ Perhaps you could speak to either a more blatant group of liars or perhaps a booming economy? I am not aware of a similar SGS type group showing 'real' UE stats from Canada.




Latest release from the Labour Force Survey


Friday, October 8, 2010
Released at 7:00 a.m. Eastern time

There was little change in employment in September, as full-time gains were offset by part-time losses. The unemployment rate edged down 0.1 percentage points to 8.0%, as fewer people, particularly youth, participated in the labour market. [link to www.statcan.gc.ca]
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I noticed yesterday they said it was higher than 10% but this morning news dropped it back down to 9.6%. What bunch of liars they are.
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I don't think many are buying it any longer...
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Private-sector payroll employment continued to trend up modestly (+64,000). (More Party-line BS here: [link to www.bls.gov] )


Just curious - what makes you think it's BS?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 373696


Because, as the SGS site indicates the numbers do not count the U6 stat nor other 'discouraged' workers ~ the SGS chart SHOWS that. Also, if you follow the official reporting, the stats are always tweaked AFTER the report comes out ~ but the official % never is adjusted. One merely needs to dp their own fact-finding and not swill the pablum of gov-speak.


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daj drew sent out over 37 appz, bc he lost his job again after 3 months. he employed by a temp agency right now. i sent him back to college. he pulling dbl duty right now. but despite the economy im opening biz number 3 and he will work for me. im done with pvt sector. fuck them.

the ed he will get in 2 yrs, assoc degree i will have a job for him with scientific game. (theyre one of my customers wink ) but he will be going for the BA
 Quoting: Phennommennonn


Better late than never ~ and an entrepreneurial rabbit out of the hat will probably save the bacon in the short term ~ as Celente says ~ quality will be the name of the game. Here's rootin' for ya'll!!!

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Re: Unemployment Smoke & Mirrors for September
Private-sector payroll employment continued to trend up modestly (+64,000). (More Party-line BS here: [link to www.bls.gov] )


Just curious - what makes you think it's BS?


Because, as the SGS site indicates the numbers do not count the U6 stat nor other 'discouraged' workers ~ the SGS chart SHOWS that. Also, if you follow the official reporting, the stats are always tweaked AFTER the report comes out ~ but the official % never is adjusted. One merely needs to dp their own fact-finding and not swill the pablum of gov-speak.


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OK, I understand that, I thought you were referring to the private sector number in particular.


I wish I was as smart as Spanky.
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And so it begins.

Let the societal meltdown commence.
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The opening lines of that stanza began in 2008...just sayin' ~ we've been singing the chorus and we're heading for the Coda.
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Re: Unemployment Smoke & Mirrors for September
Private-sector payroll employment continued to trend up modestly (+64,000). (More Party-line BS here: [link to www.bls.gov] )


Just curious - what makes you think it's BS?


Because, as the SGS site indicates the numbers do not count the U6 stat nor other 'discouraged' workers ~ the SGS chart SHOWS that. Also, if you follow the official reporting, the stats are always tweaked AFTER the report comes out ~ but the official % never is adjusted. One merely needs to dp their own fact-finding and not swill the pablum of gov-speak.


DJspanky


OK, I understand that, I thought you were referring to the private sector number in particular.


I wish I was as smart as Spanky.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 373696


No, I was referring to the whole enchilada being served up by the BLS.
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daj drew sent out over 37 appz, bc he lost his job again after 3 months. he employed by a temp agency right now. i sent him back to college. he pulling dbl duty right now. but despite the economy im opening biz number 3 and he will work for me. im done with pvt sector. fuck them.

the ed he will get in 2 yrs, assoc degree i will have a job for him with scientific game. (theyre one of my customers wink ) but he will be going for the BA


Better late than never ~ and an entrepreneurial rabbit out of the hat will probably save the bacon in the short term ~ as Celente says ~ quality will be the name of the game. Here's rootin' for ya'll!!!

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problem is beyond pvt sector.....theyre ass raping small biz.
political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.
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We need to take a look at who is becoming unemployed and who isn't.

Who is.

People working in financial sectors, legal and government related sectors. Particularly in large cities. Most of these jobs were created buy bubbles. Bubbles that were blown illegally, and behind the people's back.

Next would be people in those cities who supported those workers. Pizza, hot dog stands, barber shops, taverns, diners, post offices, restaurants, police departments, clothing, auto repair shops, PC businesses, etc. When large sections of cities implode, so do all the businesses that support those people.

Government. Many agencies that were previously growing, are now shrinking. Less taxes coming in from two arenas. The bubble arena, and the working class arena who just lost a good chunk of their savings due to the collapse.

Housing. When people loose their jobs as bubbles collapse, the people above that is, they loose their homes. This means banks will be taking hits, and laying off. Those that don't loose their homes and are hanging on, have to cut back. The fist bill they don't pay is taxes. Everything else is necessity. This again further hurts the supports sectors and governments that were growing.

THIS IS ALL GOOD.

Those above jobs were not only created illegally but were damaging the working class by creating unstable investment platforms, making it difficult to get loans, and giving a false sense of net worth.

Who will be effected the least.

People in the country
People that produce (products, foods, farms, fishing, etc.)
People that didn't borrow too far beyond their means
People not afraid to put hours in
People that don't chase an easy buck

The collapse is here and most the ones collapsing are the ones that need to collapse. The blue collar working class out in the country will be fine, and fortunately, make up the majority of this country. Heck, if it wasn't for the blue collar working class, there would be no other class!!!!

Be self sufficient
Depend on no other
Learn as many trade skills as you can
Dont borrow
Dont live beyond your means
Put savings into gold & silver
Teach others what you know

The corruption will purge itself from the system on its own.
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George Ure comments:

What's the bottom line here? Simply this: With lots of people running out of benefits, the number of unemployed showed a statistical drop of 93,000 people. At the same time, the number of people 'not in the workforce' increased by 175,000. Statistically therefore, the rate was able to hold steady.

Except of course, if you're dumpster diving or living under a freeway overpass. Then the rate just plain isn't believable.

[link to urbansurvival.com]
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there it is...the Real numbers.


It's almost meaningless ~ so many people have dropped OFF the rolls it's impossible to count. Mix it in with the aid & food stamp numbers and toss in the foreclosures ~ it's plain to see the wheels have flown off this bitch.
 Quoting: DaJavoo

Hey neighbor. I'm afraid you're right. Even my calm, level headed husband is starting to pick apart various "starving zombie horde" scenarios.
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George Ure comments:

What's the bottom line here? Simply this: With lots of people running out of benefits, the number of unemployed showed a statistical drop of 93,000 people. At the same time, the number of people 'not in the workforce' increased by 175,000. Statistically therefore, the rate was able to hold steady.

Except of course, if you're dumpster diving or living under a freeway overpass. Then the rate just plain isn't believable.

[link to urbansurvival.com]
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ure agreed to come to GLP VC last night but never confirmed a time. dood stood us up.

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"The Recession is Over" will be Obama's "Mission Accomplished".
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I noticed yesterday they said it was higher than 10% but this morning news dropped it back down to 9.6%. What bunch of liars they are.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1123140


Of course they did. I expected just that. It's an old sales ploy - sell something at $9.95 versus $10.00 because all sheeple see is the "9" and think it's considerably cheaper...all of a nickel's worth.
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daj drew sent out over 37 appz, bc he lost his job again after 3 months. he employed by a temp agency right now. i sent him back to college. he pulling dbl duty right now. but despite the economy im opening biz number 3 and he will work for me. im done with pvt sector. fuck them.

the ed he will get in 2 yrs, assoc degree i will have a job for him with scientific game. (theyre one of my customers wink ) but he will be going for the BA


Better late than never ~ and an entrepreneurial rabbit out of the hat will probably save the bacon in the short term ~ as Celente says ~ quality will be the name of the game. Here's rootin' for ya'll!!!




problem is beyond pvt sector.....theyre ass raping small biz.
 Quoting: Phennommennonn


Sweetie, they've been butt fukin' us and keep flippin' us over for another go at it for years.
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there it is...the Real numbers.


It's almost meaningless ~ so many people have dropped OFF the rolls it's impossible to count. Mix it in with the aid & food stamp numbers and toss in the foreclosures ~ it's plain to see the wheels have flown off this bitch.

Hey neighbor. I'm afraid you're right. Even my calm, level headed husband is starting to pick apart various "starving zombie horde" scenarios.
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So 23% unemployment uh? Nice.
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Investors Business Daily™ commissioned a poll and found the actual unemployment rate to be appx 28%. that was a few months ago, i need to go check to see if they updated it.


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George Ure comments:

What's the bottom line here? Simply this: With lots of people running out of benefits, the number of unemployed showed a statistical drop of 93,000 people. At the same time, the number of people 'not in the workforce' increased by 175,000. Statistically therefore, the rate was able to hold steady.

Except of course, if you're dumpster diving or living under a freeway overpass. Then the rate just plain isn't believable.

[link to urbansurvival.com]

ure agreed to come to GLP VC last night but never confirmed a time. dood stood us up.
 Quoting: Phennommennonn


I'm pretty sure he and Elaine are on the road this weekend. Not that it's an excuse...
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"The Recession is Over" will be Obama's "Mission Accomplished".
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Suppose he will give that speech in a bread line ~ or on an aircraft carrier?

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So 23% unemployment uh? Nice.



Investors Business Daily™ commissioned a poll and found the actual unemployment rate to be appx 28%. that was a few months ago, i need to go check to see if they updated it.


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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1072315



SGS does it monthly for the money supply, inflation, unemplyoment, GDP & the U.S. Dollar...
[link to www.shadowstats.com]
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So 23% unemployment uh? Nice.
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I was guessing 9-21%, but your 23% works for me as well. That computes to about 20% of the work force (or 30 Million). Factor in the "working poor" and that portends a depression model.
I'd say watch the Christmas shopping season, but they'll pump those figures up too.
Sadly, there is next to nothing you can trust with the spin doctors known as our government public servants. They don't serve the public. They serve the bankers, wall street firms and the corporations.





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