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Why do so many doubt the moon landing?

 
Halcyon Dayz, FCD

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Re: Why do so many doubt the moon landing?
Anomalies are stuff you don't expect.
They depend on your expectations.
Expectations that may not be realistic.
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Hello, you who asked what is behind this doubt of the moon landing. Are there that many deniers out there?
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About 7% of the adult US population, according to the latest poll.
[link to www.publicpolicypolling.com]
Most of those of course aren't as hardcore as our resident hoaxsheeple.
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No. You choose to perpetuate a lie and mislead your fellow man. That's your problem.
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You chose to support beliefs that could fall to the slightest experimentation.

Go outside with a pair of pencils. An honest person would see if you could produce non-parallel shadows from a single distant source (the sun) using nothing but terrain variation.

An honest person would determine by taking his own photograph if all shadows from that same distant source lie parallel in the picture frame, regardless of terrain.

You haven't done these experiments. Why? What are you protecting?
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A fragile ego.
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Re: Why do so many doubt the moon landing?
bump for my oldest thread
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Re: Why do so many doubt the moon landing?
I challenge you to find any historical event to which no "anomalies" can be found in the photographic record (assuming there is one.)


That's an interesting question, and a good topic for another thread. The crash of the Hindenburg comes to mind; in spite of the different views on how the fire started, I don't remember seeing any anomalous photos connected to the event.

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Unfortunately one runs afoul of the conspiracy believer double standard. A photograph taken by a probe showing the major artifacts of one of the Apollo landing sites on the Moon, in the relative positions and sizes as documented, is considered no proof of anything. A blurry picture of a single white dot is considered incontrovertible evidence of a UFO.

If either of us were to look at pictures from the flight and disaster of the Hindenburg we would no doubt notice several things that looked slightly odd. People would have trees growing from their heads, tiny people would be next to big people, and so on and so forth. We'd see these things, but pass by them almost without noticing; since we are at least slightly familiar with how a camera sees the world, and we would accept it is far more likely a man is in the distance, than that a dozen midgets each under six inches tall were riding the Hindenburg that day.

A conspiracy believer, on the other hand, is alert for any anomaly. He doesn't require that it support an alternate theory; he only requires that it disagrees with the mainstream view. If there was any possible way of twisting the small size of the background people into supporting the suggestion that the Hindenburg was "faked" (never mind what was faked, exactly -- they never do!) they'd find it.

Perhaps the little people are evidence of a sloppy paste-up job as the photograph of the dirigible's launch was faked. And, indeed, the aircraft doesn't look believable. It really does look like a toy, once you look at it right. So obviously it never existed in the first place, and all the pictures of it are faked up with models and pasted up in the darkroom.

And here we come to the second aspect of the conspiracy believer. They would approach the subject with little but vague memories and their own opinions on how a lighter-than-air craft is constructed, piloted, managed. Many things would "look fake" because they have no idea what a ballonet is, or what the Akron was.

And when you add photographic "analysis" to the mix, you run against the generally poor skills in perspective and optics and photography. Yes...conspiracy theorists are out there every day calling a picture suspicious because shadows aren't parallel.



So it is a task. I DO know a little something about airships, and before I started theorizing about the Hindenburg I'd make sure to educated myself more. I also have lit professionally, and attended lectures on studio photography. So I would, indeed, notice that the envelope was crumpling in a suspicious way or the lighting seemed too bright on the ground -- but I'd recognize why these were happening, and accept these as more plausible explanations.

I wouldn't, unlike the typical hoax believer, require a crane to explain a smudged footprint.

And, unfortunately, hoax believers have no perspective on their own mental processes. They would be quite capable of accepting what appeared to be anomalies in photographs of the Hindenburg (because they have no emotional stake in believing it faked) but at the same time refuse to accept that there are more likely explanations to the "anomaly" they've found in the Apollo record.
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(An) anomaly is one thing, but the sheer volume of anomalies surrounding all the historical records and "evidence" of the moon landing is remarkable.
CHAPTER 1
It's as if all the anomalies and glitches decided to get together and have a convention simultaneously with each mission to the moon. It's when stars in the moon sky decided they weren't doing any photo ops! It's during a time when thin aluminum and thin flight suits could stop lethal doses of radiation! It was a time when shadows from one source of light said "screw it" and decided they would lie at different angles. It was the time when buggies decided they wouldn't leave tire imprints on the surface but astronaut boots decided they would. It's the time when large cargo took employment as contortionists, performing for us each and every mission. It's when rays of light picked and chose which objects to bend around and illuminate. It was durring a time when etched camera cross hairs decided to play hide and seek, hiding behind the objects in their corresponding photos. T'was a time when astronauts decided, that for themselves, "opaque" was an earth fad so they'd make transparent the fad for the moon. This was the time; the time when statistics were as useful as a dog turd in the grass and computers no smarter than a 10cent calculator could project a rocket to the moon. These are the days of NASA's lies. queue musical intro
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Re: Why do so many doubt the moon landing?
Hello, you who asked what is behind this doubt of the moon landing. Are there that many deniers out there?

Well, most people do not care one way or the other. Yet, rest assured there are just as many of us arising who want to go back to the Moon, preferably even further away. We just do not frequent the type of websites that promote conspiracy theories. We have a demanding study and work schedule.
In any case, I support your question. Asking questions is very important.
I submit here that there are personal reasons, pro or con going to the moon; or, personal reasons pro or con "did men actually go there?"
I ask as well the conspiracy theorists: why do you accuse NASA of lying? considering how many crackpots and liars are promoting conspiracy theories. Make a list of names, a list of their websites. What goes on there? Truth? No. It is all the fear mongering, all the "are we in danger" stories. These guys work on it eight hours a day, sometimes more. Look at the side panels, all the books about fears and monstrous conspiracies.
Look at the common denominator. The common denominator is FEAR. It makes money. Why don't you all make a list of these conspiracy theories; then look at it.
Then ask yourself: Does this list of conspiracies make any sense? Who is really lying?

The main point here is ignorance. Before there was a manned space program, in 1956, I was advocating manned space exploration. I was only seven years old; so most of the people around me ridiculed the idea; or, they questioned why would we want to go to the moon or other planets. When i got older, and the space program peaked around 1970, the opposition actually got worse. I figured that when i began promoting the idea, it really was not about me. It was not about my age. It was about people and their prejudice.
At that point began the life-long dispute between those who want to go to outer space and explore, much like the sailors of old going to sea in sailing ships to explore new lands -vs- those who claimed that the world was flat and a terrible fate would befall the sailors at the edge of the earth -- or now we hear the same people, or should i say the same type of people, bemoaning the moon trip fakes, or the Van Allen belt radiation dangers, or that stupid flag that looks like its waving in a breeze, whatever. You people who believe the moon landings were faked are just plain ignorant. The evidence means nothing to you. You just want to trash the whole idea of going to the moon.
Now I realize another factor, that of media pundits attributing the whole space program to the competition with Russia, the Cold War. Well, the government may well had had that as a motive. But, we in the space program were not motivated by that. We were motivated by Exploration and by Science.
The thousands of dedicated people who went to school to become the astronauts, the technicians, the scientists, the engineers, the quality inspectors, we all had pride in our work and would not be involved in a crooked scheme to fake out or put on a big smoke and mirrors show. Being a scientist, an engineer, a technician in most cases, requires personal integrity. We would not, in most instances, 95 percent at least, support a falsehood. To lie would be a transgression against the whole essence of Science. To lie would be to dishonor those who came before us.
We scientists are truth seekers. We check our work and face peer review. We face tests. We did not go to school to be gamblers, confidence men, or crooks.
Examining the evidence is easy because it is available on the net --but your powers of comprehension are too limited. You do not want to look at the reasonable explanations. Nor will you recognize the thousands of dedicated hard working people working at all the hundreds of companies, at the space centers, the astronauts themselves, and the tracking station people. Do you expect they are all keeping some kind of nefarious secret? If so you are just paranoid freaks. You are the same ones who believe all the other wacky conspiracy theories. The worn out old Illuminati junk, the cranks complaining about Rockefeller, CFR, and all that. Its tired by now. ---OK all you claiming the moon landings are fake: Yeah, go ahead now and resort to your foul-mouthed abusive speech to attack me. I have not used any expletives here. Now we can watch you go wild. Have fun.
Future readers of our history will see you in the footnotes: "Many conspiracy theorists arose in those years to attack the space exploration pioneers."
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I can't believe how far this thread went!

Awesome stuff. hf
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" Second, I believe that it was the moon landing believers who crowed all over the internet that the LRO photos would be "incontrovertible proof". With no atmosphere to distort the images, I thought this might close the case. Surely NASA would send an awesome camera with beyond private sector imaging abilities. Not like they don't have the money.

BUT, what a let-down the actual photos were! Where was the awesome million dollar quality? 50 kms. That's 31 miles. I've seen amateur photos of mountains 25 miles away that had better detail. And that is with an atmosphere interfering with the process.

The sad fact is that it is the moon landing believers who time and again get caught out. So cast doubts of credibility or sanity on the skeptics. Try and associate us with the UFO/lizard crowd.
Won't stop you getting caught in your lies. "



They have the capability to provide crystal clear photographic
evidence of what remains from the claimed moon landings, and yet, they failed again.

It brings to mind all of the videos that were available to them regarding the explosion which occurred at the Pentagon on 911. Why do they refuse to release them.

There can only be one logical reason. In the case of the pentagon, the videos would prove that nothing impacted the pentagon as the explosion was caused by explosives which were planted during the upgrade prior to 911 the false flag.

So now you have to ask yourself, why do they refuse to release photos of the Moon landing sites when we know beyond any doubt they posses them.

WAKEY WAKEY.
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" Second, I believe that it was the moon landing believers who crowed all over the internet that the LRO photos would be "incontrovertible proof". With no atmosphere to distort the images, I thought this might close the case. Surely NASA would send an awesome camera with beyond private sector imaging abilities. Not like they don't have the money.

BUT, what a let-down the actual photos were! Where was the awesome million dollar quality? 50 kms. That's 31 miles. I've seen amateur photos of mountains 25 miles away that had better detail. And that is with an atmosphere interfering with the process.

The sad fact is that it is the moon landing believers who time and again get caught out. So cast doubts of credibility or sanity on the skeptics. Try and associate us with the UFO/lizard crowd.
Won't stop you getting caught in your lies. "



They have the capability to provide crystal clear photographic
evidence of what remains from the claimed moon landings, and yet, they failed again.

It brings to mind all of the videos that were available to them regarding the explosion which occurred at the Pentagon on 911. Why do they refuse to release them.

There can only be one logical reason. In the case of the pentagon, the videos would prove that nothing impacted the pentagon as the explosion was caused by explosives which were planted during the upgrade prior to 911 the false flag.

So now you have to ask yourself, why do they refuse to release photos of the Moon landing sites when we know beyond any doubt they posses them.

WAKEY WAKEY.
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PS,,, i do hold the belief, although without any evidence, that nazito did send craft which landed on the Moon. However, as to man walking on the Moon,, not even remotely possible. About as possible as nazito having placed a human on Mars.
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Re: Why do so many doubt the moon landing?
Real Moon Facts:

[link to www.clavius.org]
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I have noticed that people ages 45-90 have a really hard time believing the moon landing was a hoax because it was a big part of their life and meant a lot to the country at the time...



I was born in 1981, and am not American, but I am sure, without a doubt, that the moon landings happened.
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Finally applause Thought I was alone
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1115432


Born in 1960, been to "the cape"; seen the launch pad. The "reasons"'quoted are fraught with ignorance of basic physics and perpetuated .b.s.

Deniers need to:

Explain the moon rocks distributed around the world for study by independent (not nasa) researchers?

Thousands of people were involved in Apollo.

People were involved at the Woomera Australia tracking site.

AExplain: Why wouldn't the Russians "spill the beans"to ruin our accomplishment? We were not "friends " back then but bitter enemies trying to beat each other to the moon.
Their giant booster rocket blew up and set them back years. Just months before Apollo 11 was launched
???
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Re: Why do so many doubt the moon landing?
why is landing on the closest object in space so hard to believe?
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Ignorance

and a lack of basic science education.

There are actually people out there that believe the Earth is flat and that rockets will not work in space.
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Re: Why do so many doubt the moon landing?
The denial imo is part of this need some people have to live in a fantasy world.
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