For the TRUE Followers of Christ Our Messiah (Holiness)

Hey Greg,

The way, besides accepting Messiah, is to repent. That means partake NOT in unholy things. If you know a thought or action is unholy, stop that thought or action. This takes discipline and commitment. But you CAN do it.

John 8

1Jesus went unto the mount of Olives.

2And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them.

3And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,

4They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.

5Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?

6This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.

7So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

8And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.

9And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.

10When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?

11She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

Jesus wasn't saying that we can be sinless, rather, go a turn from the ways that got you into this mess (I believe anyway).

For him to say "Sin no more," makes a huge statement.

Are we willing to listen?

Do have control over our flesh, our tongues, our actions?

Yes, we do.

Seperating ourselves from the world does not mean go live in the woods per se, it means to BE HOLY...if you are really doing that...you ARE setting yourself apart from the world. Because the world is far from Holy.

But, if your self control, is not able to do this, then it is probably better to go live in the woods than to continue blatant sin.

Last Edited by ToyTV on 09/26/2010 01:47 PM

Yes but virtually everything is a sin these days. You can't open your eyes without being exposed to sin...to the point where we no longer recognize what is sin and what isn't.

I mean, the more you turn away from Sin, the more you alienate yourself from your family, because they do not find the sin in things that you do.

Where does it end? Where does it begin?

If you are lead by the spirit of G-d, then it is very clear to see the difference.

Did you listen to that mp3...I mean really listen?

Greg, do you listen to music, do you watch TV, do you rent movies, do you watch pornography?

You don't really have to answer those...just think about it. If you do (and there are many many others that I can't possibly list), then you are putting yourself into the enemies hands at some level...and you will bombarded by the snares of this world. Will doing this not cause you to sin? Is it possible to avoid these things? Yes, it is. To a HUGE extent.

What level of commitment to G-d do you have?

You can control what is before your eyes to a huge extent, and where you can't...practice self control. Notice I said practice...

Last Edited by ToyTV on 09/26/2010 02:03 PM

No offense but the body also needs protection from evil. like that death thing that comes around for everybody, saved and the not saved. It would seem like the journey is only halfway over.

Yes, this is unfortunate.

But maybe through your Holiness, you can lead them...if not, it is better to inherit the Kingdom of Heaven...than to please your family.

Lester, I have been born again. Lester claimed I am not...and then proceeded to attack me, showing his true colors by being vicious and profane.

Your profanity is not welcome here. Sorry.

I deleted Lester's post because he wants to be vile and call me filthy names.

Play nice Lester. You can disagree with me...but I intend to keep this thread Holy to G-d.

Last Edited by ToyTV on 09/26/2010 03:08 PM

I'm not sure I exactly understand what you are saying. Care to clarify?

For those willing to hear...Yes!

Last Edited by ToyTV on 09/26/2010 04:01 PM

The Levites were a separate priesthood, in the OT, but Jesus calls us all to be priests unto God, not a single tribe anymore. So, if we are to be priests unto God, then we should also be aware of the issue of holiness that God calls us to.


Rev 1:6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.


Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The best we can accomplish these days is to become a repenting person. We never achieve the level of purity that is asked of us.

If thinking about adultery is enough to require repenting then that also applies to the other Laws that carried over.

M't.5:28
But I say unto you,
That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Jas.2:10
For whosoever shall keep the whole law,
and yet offend in one point,
he is guilty of all.
Jas.2:11
For he that said,
Do not commit adultery,
said also,
Do not kill.
Now if thou commit no adultery,
yet if thou kill,
thou art become a transgressor of the law.

The path is different for everybody but because Christ is the Shepherd all enter that narrow gate before the gate is closed. Without Christ nobody could find that gate. Being early does not make you more valuable than the last one to enter it. The gate is only open from when the 144,000 are first sealed until the end of Judgment Day.

It is true we should withdraw from committing sins, that is a patch at best as the 'solution' is only available once Christ returns. Sin and temptation cease to exist in the same kingdom of the living.

The speaker seem to have more to say about women than admitting the men in the Church are the ones that facilitate the head of the Church being as mislead as they are, either that they are just spreading lies. The speaker also judges some (women) as being sent to hell, that judgment means he will be there right beside them. He considers himself saved and anybody not saved compared to the timing applied to his own salvation rather than by what Scripture allows for.

M't.20:10
But when the first came,
they supposed that they should have received more;
and they likewise received every man a penny.
M't.20:11
And when they had received it,
they murmured against the goodman of the house,
M't.20:12
Saying,
These last have wrought but one hour,
and thou hast made them equal unto us,
which have borne the burden and heat of the day.
M't.20:13
But he answered one of them,
and said,
Friend,
I do thee no wrong:
didst not thou agree with me for a penny?
M't.20:14
Take that thine is,
and go thy way:
I will give unto this last,
even as unto thee.
M't.20:15
Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own?
Is thine eye evil, because I am good?
M't.20:16
So the last shall be first,
and the first last:
for many be called,
but few chosen.

It boils down that if believers start to get stressed about the 'non-believers' that are around and he brings it upon himself to be their savior then he is failing to take the words that Jesus will make sure that He has all His sheep before the time for gathering is up. If the preaching part was possible for converting then the Jews that are going to be in blindness until the end should be able to be converted and brought out of blindness by some believer (meaning he has read some/most of the Bible with perfect understanding)

Believers should first come up with a doctrine that is singular amongst believers rather than the many flavors of understanding that exists these days. Until that goal is achieved we should not be preaching to those we deem unsaved. The first factor is they aren't even listening, either reading this thread or listening to the mp3 so who is being saved, the choir is already saved.

The writer of Revelation was also the writer of the Gospel of John, there is nobody that is on par with that since they passed away nearly 1900 years ago.

'Shall be' is a term used to describe something that is in the future from when it is mentioned. It is mentioned after they are made alive at the sound of the 7th trump. They will be taught what a priest and king should know during that 1,000 years. After Judgment day they have some people to be Priests and Kings to, all the while being given guidance as they are permanent residents of New Jerusalem.

Last Edited by MHz on 09/26/2010 04:53 PM

The only way to become "Partakers Of HIS Holiness" is to surrender your heart Unto The Father and give HIM your life and will; to do with as HE Sees Fit and Right.

Trust HIM Fully?

Jesus Witnesses that while the thief loves his son, Our Father In Heaven Loves is immeasurably more....

Only HE IS Worthy of our Complete Trust And Confidence.


It IS The Father WHO Gives us A New Heart Of-HIS Flesh.
It Is The Father WHO Gives us HIS Holy Spirit to Guide us by Witness and Revelation; and all other Gifts of The Holy Spirit HE May Deem To Bestow to us.


Know HIM? Then you will Know and Recognize HIM in all others you encounter.


No Recognition? Then HE is not within your or HE is not with the other party...

Think of Mark 9:36-40; where the Apostles tell Jesus they met another preaching/witnessing Of-HIM in the desert and they confronted the "unknown Apostle"... Jesus said, "Forbid him not..." Yet the Apostles then were not yet filled with The Holy Spirit and so were carnal...

OP is carnal, and because of this the OP like the not yet Abiding With HIM Apostles, has no Witness to receive From
God and Knows HIM not...

Enough Lester...can't you say what you want without calling me vile names? That should tell anyone what your fruits really are. Next time I'm banning you from the thread. If you have something to share, keep it clean.

I will leave whatever you want up...keep the personal attacks out of it and I'll leave it. Keep the vile cussing out, and I 'll leave it. You can go start your own thread and bash me all you want.

Last Edited by ToyTV on 09/26/2010 09:16 PM

I agree with you (for the most part) Lester, I'm not sure why you are attacking me. Yeshua (Christ) is Lord. Nobody goes to the Father without Him. I am born again and saved through His blood...and his blood only...so what gives? what is your problem? I'm preaching Holiness? If this is a problem for you, then I am very concerned for YOU.

You guys don't really believe in the old testament do you...

Yes, I do.

Have you read it? Really read it...the whole thing?

No I haven't but I know that it's the jewish bible and I know that Jesus told the jews that their God is the Devil.

Go figure the rest out.

You only have part of the story AC. You do realize, that Jesus, and His disciples were Jews right?

It is very hard to debate about a book you have not read.

It is not, the "Jewish" Bible per se, it is also part of the "Christian" Bible. I personally don't really like all these labels. My "religion" is the Bible...the whole thing. I don't believe either testament can stand alone.

Last Edited by ToyTV on 09/26/2010 10:01 PM

I have no problem writing and speaking my Master's Name, but I will wholeheartedly agree with the blessing.

No one is Born-Again "through HIS Blood only" as you say.
This explains your "holiness" fixation and your other outward manifestations of alienation.

No witness from you.
You have no experience, have seen and Know, nothing Of-HIM; have never been In-HIS Presence...


Look, Christ Jesus Witnesses of you in Matthew 8. You are among those who will knock and lament the cry, "Lord, Lord, open unto us for we have done mighty works In Your Name!" Jesus says, "Depart from ME you workers of iniquity; I Know you not!"

Been In The Father's Presence, then Jesus Knows you.
Unable to surrender, to make your Leap Of Faith? Then you remain carnal; a "worker of iniquity".

I have no animosity towards you, OP.
You likely are sincere and Love HIM, but have you manifested your heart?

If you Know nothing of what I am witnessing and don't understand the carnal-heart can never be Holy, then it is proof from you that you are alienated from HIM.

It matters to me because if you would seek to guide others, you must Know The Fruits. You cannot Know anything about God until you Know HIM...

The Blood of the Lamb is what makes surrender possible. Until Jesus' Sacrifice, The Father could not look upon us to accept our surrender even if we Knew to offer it...

You either Know The Father or you don't....

If all the ministry Knew The Fruit, more would Know HIM.
God's Will IS Always Perfect!
Reflect that Jesus also instructed The Apostles in Matt 16:18 not to witness WHO HE IS to anyone... Those who cannot hear and see with their hearts cannot Know HIM (per Matt ch 13:11-17)

There is no way to Holiness without surrender.
Ezekiel 36:26-27 is the whole enchilada about Born-Again and God's New Heart changing your life and Making Those Who Are HIS "Holy".

Maybe you "Know" this but never heard it put so succinctly?
Maybe you never reflected or sought HIS Guidance to aid your witness?
No animosity here, and my comments are never written only to the replier. My aim has always been, unless rebuking/chastising, that others could reflect on my comments and seek HIM for clarity or take action if Given the conviction to do so.

The carnal-heart has millions of excuses to prevent its owner from seeking further Relationship With God. Only God makes our Victory over carnality possible. Trusting HIM Fully and Reliance Upon HIM Totally is the only step we have to make in taking our Leap Of Faith. Yet, it takes courage and conviction to even step that one step...

If you have witness of what I have written then give it In HIS Name and Trust HIM that it will resonate with those who can hear and see with their hearts. Doing HIS Will is not about what we think is "success" but Doing As HE Wills for us to do. God's Will and HIS People cannot fail and is never wrong. Have to Know HIM to understand that...

I ask HIS Blessings Be upon you...

Maranatha!!!

Jesus was not "a Jew". HE Came as Messiah to the Jews, but you should KNOW WHO HE IS... Christ was not "religious". HE Taught in the Temple, but also anywhere else that Jews gathered.

The Old Testament Gives Witness Of HIS Coming... Yet, as The Truth Manifested, HIS Word IS Direct Witness From God...

If Born-Again and Abiding With The Holy Spirit you can "see" Witness Of-HIM throughout The Old Testament. If not, then whatever you rationalize "works for you"...

I don't hold with those who place "special" value on Judaic mannerisms, observations, Names, Feasts, or the "secret Names" sects. There is no reason not to identify God as God. Pretense is affectation and posturing. It all smacks of self-will which is the definition of a carnal-heart.

Know God through surrender and then Understand.

These are The Final Moments and the purpose of Christ Jesus IS To Enable all those who can find within their hearts to Trust God Completely With Their Lives to Tell HIM So, and Come Unto The Father...

Pretense matters not.
If you Truly Love HIM, your heart was called; and the only thing that matters in your life is manifesting your heart Unto The Father.

Knowing Who Christ Jesus IS and not manifesting for The Father is the plot of The Parable Of The Wedding Feast. All those invited guests, none of which chose to attend, were replaced. If you Know WHO Christ IS, God Has Invited you to HIS Wedding Feast. If you fail to surrender your heart Unto The Father, you reject HIS Invitation....

Oh well...

Thank you for this message. I got a very similar one in church yesterday. Between the two, its got me thinking about how much in the world I still am even though I profess to be a saved Christian. Time is short.

live each day according to the fruits of the Holy Spirit.

Love one another
Joy..
Peace

Long-suffering
Kindness
goodness
Faith
mildness
and self control

Work at these, and whiten youselves.

reject anything carnal,(works of flesh) and turn to God now. We have been set free by Christ, and yet man still follows after sects and devided religons which are heresies.

galations 5:18

But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

19Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

20.Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

21. Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.


"God The Father Delivers you "from the world" when you decide you can Trust HIM Completely and surrender your life and will Unto HIM."

(the quoted statement above is so simple and rings out truth and yet few will see.) They would rather make things so hard on themselves, and continue not to trust God to deliver them out of darkness.


25.If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

26. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.


In Christ,
Faithful and Truth

If God told you to kill me, would you do it?

Don't qualify the question in anyway, just answer it please

Christianity has taken the statement of Jesus and instructs their followers that you must come to Jesus to find this salvation.

But their method of coming to Jesus is coming to them.

Come to church, give 10% of your money, bow your head and ask Jesus to come into your heart, claim Jesus is Lord.

Yet Jesus said we are to come out of the churches.
Who you going to listen to? The churches or Jesus?

Why do you think you get to make all the rules and tell me how to answer a question? You ask such a ridiculous question, then tell me what not to do...you tell me how not to answer it?

Go away...go troll one of the countless other threads that are the cesspools of immature religious debate.

We don't want that here. And we don't want your folly.

Last Edited by ToyTV on 09/27/2010 10:38 AM

Funny how you won't answer it....

Funny that you would ask it...


see how that goes?

So when the question is not on your terms, its folly? I'm a troll?