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It appears that the Downing Street Memo is fake like the CBS memos. Donīt you sheeple get tired of being lie to by the media?

 
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It appears that the Downing Street Memo is fake like the CBS memos. Donīt you sheeple get tired of being lie to by the media?
cow

The liberal broadcast media?

It seems the GLP Bush Bashers are easily duped. Could it be that it is there irrational hatred that clouds their judgement?

cow

MEDIA MATTERS
Are Downing Street memos
authentic or elaborate hoax?
Blogs question credibility of reporter who typed copies, destroyed originals

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Posted: June 19, 2005
11:59 p.m. Eastern



Đ 2005 WorldNetDaily.com


Are the highly publicized Downing Street memos authentic government documents that show the Bush administration lied about pre-war intelligence on weapons of mass destruction?

Or are they part of an elaborate hoax – akin to CBSīs infamous National Guard memos on George W. Bushīs military service?

Many of the same blogs that successfully challenged Dan Ratherīs documents are now questioning whether the Downing Street memos are for real.

With Times of London reporter Michael Smith admitting the memos he used in his stories are not originals, but copies he retyped, the controversy seems to be reaching a fever pitch.

"Until tonight ... no one questioned the authenticity of the documents provided by the Times of London," said CaptainsQuartersBlog, one of the sites behind the Rather scandal. "That has now changed, as Times reporter Michael Smith admitted that the memos he used are not originals, but retyped copies.

The eight memos – all labeled "secret" or "confidential" – were first obtained by Smith, who has written about them in The Daily Telegraph and The Sunday Times.

Smith told the Associated Press he protected the identity of the source he had obtained the documents from by typing copies of them on plain paper and destroying the originals. The AP showed the documents to an unnamed senior British official who said they "appeared authentic."

"Readers of this site should recall this set of circumstances from last year," reported CaptainsQuartersBlog. "The Killian memos at the center of CBSī 60 Minutes Wednesday report on George Bushī National Guard service supposedly went through the same laundry service as the Downing Street Memos. Bill Burkett, once heīd been outed as the source of the now-disgraced Killian memos, claimed that a woman named Lucy Ramirez provided them to him -- but that he made copies and burned the originals to protect her identity or that of her source."

The blog asked: Why would a reporter do such a thing? While reporters need to protect their sources, at some point stories based on official documents will require authentication -- and as we have seen with the Killian memos, copies make that impossible.

"This, in fact, could very well be another case of īfake but accurate.ī where documents get created after the fact to support preconceived notions about what happened in the past," said the blog. "One fact certainly stands out -- Michael Smith cannot authenticate the copies. And absent that authentication, they lose their value as evidence of anything."

The blog goes on to suggest that even if the memos could be authenticated, "theyīre still meaningless." That they simply do not contain any smoking-gun evidence of lies by the Bush administration or the British government of Tony Blair.

The admission by Smith that he destroyed the originals to the AP was not the first comment he made on the matter. Another blog site, Raw Story, says Smith told its interviewer: "I was given them last September while still on the [Daily] Telegraph. I was given very strict orders from the lawyers as to how to handle them. I first photocopied them to ensure they were on our paper and returned the originals, which were on government paper and therefore government property, to the source."

Interestingly, it was bloggers who first brought the Downing Street memos to the attention of the world. The Sunday Times of London first wrote about the memos in May. It is the transcript of a Downing Street meeting from July 2002. In the memo, "C", the head of MI6, said that based on meetings in Washington there had been a shift in attitude and that "military action was now seen as inevitable." President Bush wanted to remove Saddam Hussein from power and would do so "justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD," the memo said.

But the U.S. press was not quick to pick up on the revelations. Bloggers in the UK and the U.S. kept hammering on the content.

Then, last week, Democratic members of Congress got into the act – holding an unofficial hearing on Capitol Hill to draw attention to the memos. In a jammed room in the basement of the Capitol, Representative John Conyers Jr., the top Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee, presided as witnesses asserted they vindicated their view that Bush made the decision to topple former Iraqi president Saddam Hussein long before he has admitted.

There were calls for impeachment at the hearing.

The White House maintains that Bush decided to invade Iraq only after Secretary of State Colin Powell made the administrationīs case in a lengthy presentation to the U.N. Security Council on Feb. 5, 2003. His argument focused on intelligence demonstrating that Iraq had illicit weapons. No weapons, however, have been found.

Asked about the memo last week, Bush said, "Nobody wants to commit military into combat. Itīs the last option."

[link to www.worldnetdaily.com]
3215  (OP)

12/08/2005 10:14 AM
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MemoGate Part Deux.
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Ahh, World Net Daily, a well known source of journalistic excellence. NOT.
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Is there a smell in here?
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RBHīs nose smells like shit is the smell.
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It must get harder and harder every day for RBH to fit everything into his fantasy world.

He can make believe all he wants until he gets drafted and dumped in the middle of a war zone.

Yes RBH, you can get drafted as there is no minimum IQ for general infantry.
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".... Iīll probably say it three more times, see, in my line of work you gotta keep repeating things over and over and over again for the ītruthī to sink in, to kinda catapult the propaganda.
-- Truth... Propaganda... Pretty much the same thing as far as Dubya is concerned. Greece, New York, May 24, 2005
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cow

I have no idea why libbies and thugocrats start calling names and hurling insults when someone rationally explains that one of their tenants is wrong.
If you base all your references in reality from lies, are you not then living a lie?
How can they be taken seriously when they keep opening the door and banging there face with it?

1dunno1
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Coming from one who so appropriately uses a serpent for an avatar.
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RBH how funny you play innocent. As if you do not throw names around. Secondly...this article does not show any proof thw DSMs being fake. Thirdly there is a lot of more people and evidence to show BushCo. went to war in Iraq for lies.
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And who told you that itīs fake, the media?
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oh, no! or perhaps Bush himself?
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RBH when you look at who owns the current media establishments and who they support politically you will find that the notion of "liberal media" is absurd.

They are corporations. There is nothing liberal about them.

As to the DS memos, if Bush would simply answer the questions put forth under oath, then this matter will be clarified.
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RBH has "lost touch with reality" as stated by a Republican, Chuck Hagel, when asked about the Bush Administration
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OOH -World Net Daily -- yah, good reference, dude.
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cow

Fact, the memos are fake, they are not real. The reporter who typed them admits it. Supposedly the originals are destroyed. No evidence that there ever was a real memo. Case closed.
Very simple really.
As for name calling and insults. I am human, not a machine. When people insult me I will usually give them one free pass, but as I say, I am human and to expect me not to dish it back, is, well, silly.

1dunno1
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How... can anyone with neurons still tracing around the brain, with a thinking process, still support this Administration? If you are a Republican, fine. But to support this Administration after all the FACTS about the lies leading to an illegal war... among other felonies... sheeeesh.

RBH has been Schiavoed..... a brain half the size of a normal LIVING human being.

It is kinda pathetic.
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I still wonder if RBH is a liberal pretending to be a neocon shill just to troll.
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If so... he is a good actor. But I seriously doubt it. As I have said before... its probably just a case of "ignorance is bliss."
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RBH you can look at this two ways.

The lack of proper paper trail and dead bodies regarding Bush is either because he is a divine entity who graces us all with his perfection, or he is a crook with even more clever crooks covering his ass at every turn.

Either way you want to argue this, youīll lose the argument hands down.

So stick to things you know something about, like the valuable musings of the World Net daily.
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Yes, I am tired of all this Bush bashing and the liberal media stirring up hatred, and confusion.
Also, it is time that the republicans, and democrates start working for the good of our
nation and for all of us already. It is sickening!!!
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Rest assured. If this document were authentic, the leftist media wouldnīt rest till every household signed an affadavit that they have read and understood.
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"Donīt you sheeple get tired of being lie to by the media?"

sheep baaaaaahhhhhhhh sheep

no, we just repeat what we hear because it fits our anti-American agenda perfectly

itīs easier than using our own brains

sheep baaaaaahhhhhhhh sheep
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RBH truly believes that this Adminīs policies are for the better good.

I grew in Iowa.... loaded with ignorant white Bible-thumpers. (I love Iowa, but believe me... people there are truly ignorant)

I actually feel sorry for them when their GOD gets put on trial for war crimes, including treason. This will happen, but I believe only when the Dems gain some control over either the Senate our House.... not before. But it will happen.
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Actually, the real sheep are the ones too stupid and ignorant to understand that supporting the Bush administration and supporting America are two totally different things!
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"I grew in Iowa.... loaded with ignorant white Bible-thumpers. (I love Iowa, but believe me... people there are truly ignorant)"

so, youīre ignorant. so what.

want a cookie?
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cow

von Doom, what part of fake would I lose a debate about? The memos are faked, admitted to by the report. You do understand the concept of forgery and fake documents right? Are you trying to say that Bush put this guy up to making up this lie to make the left look stupid? Well it worked.

von Doom = 0

RBH = 1

1dunno1
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The democrats are just as guilty as republicans, Cosmo.

Both need to be kicked out of office.

Do away with the two-party "us vs. them" bullshit.

Demand proper representation!
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P.S. This whole "liberal media" shit is getting REALLY old... This claim is so ridiculous you have to laugh.

FOX
NBC
ABC
MSNBC
CNN
CBS

All corporate-owned and government controlled.... Yes, there are very liberal reporters and "journalists" but unfortunately they canīt report real news cuz they are censored by their bosses
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Neocons win again?
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looks that way.





GLP