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My .02 on a BoB ...

 
Edmond Dantes  (OP)

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sorry that took awhille to respond to but I went jogging around memorial park here in houston....its 100 degrees F here and i am reminded by the sight of the joggers how little we can truely carry any distance...the park is only 3 miles around once ...and people struggle just with a camelback filled with water....just something to ponder is all.
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More if you want it...



I'd like to hear more please.
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I would be happy to help with gear and training lists. I used to teach a survival course and did E+E drills for years in the military.



Sorry, but the OPs gear list is lacking...and I have a strong belief that while almost any gear is better than none, the OPs list isn't really well planned or designed.

The sample list I posted completely fits in a Cobra bag and goes with me wherever I am. ALL of my vehicles (4) have either GHB (Get Home Bag) and/or a Three Day Kit. I also keep footware, socks and a weather specific change of clothing in my vehicles as well.

Easy to talk the talk, but if you are leaving the office and TSHTF, how are you going to do in a suit and hard sole shoes? Women, hike much in pumps and a skirt?

The basics are the 4dubs:
1) What are you attempting to do - get home, get away or shelter in place?

2) What is your level of physical training, and how fit are you?

3) What is your level of training with your gear? Have you used it? Have you used it in ALL weather and environments?
Can you locate gear within the bag in the pitch black? Can you make a shelter in the dark?

4) What are you committed to do? Are you willing to take your three day bag and habe a friend drop you someplace and see if it (and you!) perform as intended?

It really dosent cost much. Planning is crucial. I wil help any who ask to the best of my ability via my private e-mail.
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sorry that took awhille to respond to but I went jogging around memorial park here in houston....its 100 degrees F here and i am reminded by the sight of the joggers how little we can truely carry any distance...the park is only 3 miles around once ...and people struggle just with a camelback filled with water....just something to ponder is all.
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mountain bike with saddle bags.
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One of the first things people do when the embrace prepping is assemble a bug out bag (BOB). This is intended to be a bag with supplies to enable the user to get through a tough time or travel some distance to a safer location. These bags end up with all sorts of names (Get Out Of Dodge, Get Home Bag, etc) but the mission is generally the same: contain the supplies you'll need in an easily transportable container.

Here are some things to consider when starting your first BOB. These are not exhaustive or The Gospel but are intended to be some food for thought.

1) Buy Quality: $20 bags from Cheaper Than Dirt are a waste of time. Someone will pipe up and say "I have one packed with 1,000lbs and it works great". Well, they are the lucky ones. Do you really want to trust your life and that of your families to the cheapest bag possible? Not saying you have to spend $5,000 but just going for cheap typically results in zippers that fall apart, buckles that crack, straps that fray and seems that rip out. If you are on a shoestring budget go to an army surplus store and pick up an old Alice pack. They aren't sexy but at least they are stout.

2) Your bag should be comfortable: Putting a 80lbs bag on your back and walking 50 miles isn't a real picnic. Having a bag that chafes, rubs and pokes you every step of the way isn't going to make it any easier. The bigger the bag the more padding and width the straps should have and the more important things like kidney pads, waist belts, chest straps, suspension systems, etc become.

3) Consider the mission: What is the bag for? Is it to grab in the event you have to evacuate the house due to a chemical spill or to travel overland for a year? Those are two different goals and as such the contents of your bag will differ accordingly. Consider what you want to accomplish with your bag and this will help you to determine what you put in your bag.

Also, don't forget that a BOB doesn't necessary have to be for playing Mad Max in the woods. Lets say you are in a wheelchair and there's no way in hell you are going overland. You may, however, have a plan to drive across town to your parents more rural home and set up camp there. Wouldn't it be nice to have some spare wheelchair parts handy? Put those in your bag. You can almost eliminate food and water from the bag (or at least only have some emergency rations) but then increase the amount of gear you pack to make life more comfortable at your parents house. The point is a BOB isn't always about hiking 400 miles Omega Man style.

3) Don't Pack the Kitchen Sink: The number one mistake people make with BOB's is to stuff it full of 127lbs of equipment, most of which isn't needed. Put together a list of everything you'll need for your intended mission. Then start going through it with the mantra of "weight kills". Start eliminating items. Start looking for items that can serve a dual purpose. Start looking for gadgets that will do 10 different things. Look for any way to eliminate items and reduce weight.

Example: Do you really need a 4 burner Coleman stove when an esbit stove with Trioxane tabs will do? Do you really need a full blown propane torch when one of those pencil jobs will do? You get the idea.

Point is, you want to get that pack as light as humanly and reasonably possible.

4) Organize: Remember, the time you actually use the pack will, by definition, be stressful. The LAST thing you need is to be digging around in a gigantic bottomless pit of gear. Classic example is an epi pen. If you need it to deal with an allergic reaction do you really want it lost in a pit of stuff while your daughters windpipe swells shut? (Hold on sweetie...I know it's in here somewhere!)

Put a lot of thought into what items you'll need to access frequently or quickly and have them easily accessible. Things like firstaid, emergency food, compass, radios, basic tools should likely be in outer/easy reach pockets.

Also, consider this maxim: detachable pouches have a tendency to detach. So don't put anything in a detachable pouch that you can't afford to have detached and lost. Also, secure those pouches so you aren't wasting time fiddling with semi-detached pouches when you should be making tracks. 550 or para cord is a personal favorite for this.

5) Test the pack out: Put the thing on. Walk around, do some jumping jacks, bend over, squat down and try to stand up. See what it feels like or if it's unbalanced. More desired is to actually go camping with the thing and wear it for three straight days to see how it really feels and performs. Modify what doesn't work. If you can't go camping, put it on and wear it around the house a couple of days while you do your normal chores.

Looking good sitting on the shelf doesn't mean squat compared to actually working on your back.

6) It's a work in progress: Know that once you complete your pack that it will likely morph over time. It's not uncommon for BOB's to be rebuilt 5 and 6 different times as needs change and/or wisdom is gained. In fact, the worst thing you can do is build a BOB, toss it in a dark place, let it sit for 10 years and then expect it to perform when needed. You should be checking on the contents every so often to make sure batteries haven't busted or the like. But more importantly, keep modifying the contents and their locations to suit your needs.

So there you go. Like I said, this isn't the exhaustive list of what to do, but it should be enough to get you started.

If you want a list of items to put in your bag let me know.

If you are a certified GearWhore, like I am, you'll quickly realize that while the use of a BOB is deadly serious, building BOB's can be a lot of fun. Don't stress out over details. Use common sense. Build a bag that makes sense to you and your objectives. Don't get hyper-focused on playing GI Joe in the woods for 10 years.

Closing thought: There seems to be a lot of debate about what type of bag to get. Some say avoid military looking bags because you'll draw attention to yourself. You can get a plain old camping style bag and "blend in".

My opinion (because I know you are sitting on pins and needles waiting for it)....don't get caught up in minutia. If you dashing out the house because of a chemical spill nobody cares what their bag looks like. If things have gotten so bad that you and the family are walking 200 miles to a Super-Secret Bat Cave what sort of pack you have is the least of your worries (not to mention, if things have gotten that bad people are going to attack you no matter what. They aren't going to turn away because you have a NorthFace bag instead of a Maxpedition).

I'd rather you spend your mental energy on determining what goes in the bag, or the location of the content so the bag can help save your life than loosing sleep over a minor detail like what the bag looks like.


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sorry that took awhille to respond to but I went jogging around memorial park here in houston....its 100 degrees F here and i am reminded by the sight of the joggers how little we can truely carry any distance...the park is only 3 miles around once ...and people struggle just with a camelback filled with water....just something to ponder is all.


mountain bike with saddle bags.
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do you take your mountain bike with prefilled saddlebags everywhere you go? If so good. Most people probabbly do not. My BoB does go with me everywhere. Just a thought.
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What do you think you're a ninja?

Grow up
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1. agreed camelback is the best on the market imho. its designed to be jogged/hiked/camped etc in.
2. see above
3. BoB is for getting out of dodge anything long term and you need caches imho.
3 (again). Agreed this is the point of this BoB
4. Agreed
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What do you think you're a ninja?

Grow up
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No I think Im an EMT who has gone into survival situations like katrinas aftermath and many others and am attempting to offer my .02 on an internet site. You can grow up.
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lolol I am 62 years old for the last 47 of that I ve been back packing into the BWCA and related areas "all that you are allowed is what you can carry" Some of you have a very unrealistic view on survival..... snare wire yes fishing line and very basic gear yes fuel of any sort no food of any sort thats not dry etc etc no a basic weapon yes a sword?? I m not so sure. remember it all has to go on your back.............
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lolol I am 62 years old for the last 47 of that I ve been back packing into the BWCA and related areas "all that you are allowed is what you can carry" Some of you have a very unrealistic view on survival..... snare wire yes fishing line and very basic gear yes fuel of any sort no food of any sort thats not dry etc etc no a basic weapon yes a sword?? I m not so sure. remember it all has to go on your back.............
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this is the basic premise of my BoB...Water food weapon traps and something to trade with later (which are some very basic tools and knowledge). I cannot agree more...mobility=life. You have to carry it.
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You will perish just like everybody else that lives near major metro areas.....your bob will be taken from you on your way out..
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You will perish just like everybody else that lives near major metro areas.....your bob will be taken from you on your way out..
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unfortunately you are probabbly correct....hence most important thing in my OP was prayer.
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Hey dante. Great list.

Might want to throw in a small but powerful magifying glass.
and a few small gold and silver coins, and sodium chlorite=MMS. Oh and a compass, gps could be down.

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Most sensible BoB list I've seen in a long time Mr. ED.

I'd probably forgo the sword in lieu of a good survival knife with a suture kit, couple of pain meds & an amphetamine dose in the handle. Though the martial arts clothing and sword would certainly have a psychological impact on attackers, someone might not want to chance the ninja, and just shoot you outright.

Biggest asset in any dicey situation is Knowledge... period.

Know where you are... the obvious and the hidden.
Know where you are going... the terrain and ideally, some of the people along the way.
Books are heavy and easily damaged... learn what you need and practice it ahead of a crisis. Can't do that? Buddy up with people having complimentary skills to your own.

just my .02
I'm too crippled up now to worry much about my BoB.
Just working on packing the kids' mental bags without them being aware of what I'm doing... just all fun and games, eh? lol It works.
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Hey dante. Great list.

Might want to throw in a small but powerful magifying glass.
and a few small gold and silver coins, and sodium chlorite=MMS. Oh and a compass, gps could be down.
 Quoting: rken

First hello and good to see you again my friend! I hope your doing well. As to your suggestions ....

magnifying glass is smart for fire perhaps but I have not tried this out....I will look into this. as for the gold and silver....well money loses its value in ''bugout'' situations but for the long haul it could be an idea, probabbly a cache item. Sodium chlorite....again cache item imho. Compass ...hopefully we will still have stars and moss will still grow on trees....bottom line I would not now nor then depend on GPS.
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Most sensible BoB list I've seen in a long time Mr. ED.

I'd probably forgo the sword in lieu of a good survival knife with a suture kit, couple of pain meds & an amphetamine dose in the handle. Though the martial arts clothing and sword would certainly have a psychological impact on attackers, someone might not want to chance the ninja, and just shoot you outright.

Biggest asset in any dicey situation is Knowledge... period.

Know where you are... the obvious and the hidden.
Know where you are going... the terrain and ideally, some of the people along the way.
Books are heavy and easily damaged... learn what you need and practice it ahead of a crisis. Can't do that? Buddy up with people having complimentary skills to your own.

just my .02
I'm too crippled up now to worry much about my BoB.
Just working on packing the kids' mental bags without them being aware of what I'm doing... just all fun and games, eh? lol It works.
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Thankyou for your compliment...I agree knowledge is probabbly the best asset after prayer. Im a certified pharmacy technician and a EMT...I have spent many years studying martial arts ....as to the Gi I also suggested scrubs for those who lack the prowess to fullfill a Gi standard ...after all who wants to shoot the potential doctor or nurse?

As to your subterfuge with your family...you are wise indeed. I salute you. Crippled up does not equal hopeless...train that family well enough and you may be provided for. In any event God bless and keep you.
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Hey dante. Great list.

Might want to throw in a small but powerful magifying glass.
and a few small gold and silver coins, and sodium chlorite=MMS. Oh and a compass, gps could be down.

First hello and good to see you again my friend! I hope your doing well. As to your suggestions ....

magnifying glass is smart for fire perhaps but I have not tried this out....I will look into this. as for the gold and silver....well money loses its value in ''bugout'' situations but for the long haul it could be an idea, probabbly a cache item. Sodium chlorite....again cache item imho. Compass ...hopefully we will still have stars and moss will still grow on trees....bottom line I would not now nor then depend on GPS.
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Are you serious? Do you actually believe that moss only grows on a certain side of the tree?

Wow...best of luck getting where you want to go while chewing on your bag full of power-bars. Do you have a tool to plant your seeds? What if they dont grow?
What of you need to leave that base? What if you break your sword? Seriously!

I am sorry if I sound harsh...it truly is not my intention. I have had students that built similar lists, they were cold and hungry by the end of a simple exercise.
your list:
Please educate yourself...protect your life!
1. Sawyer Water Filtration system ....1,000,000 gallons of pure drinking water avilable at REI & camelback.
How are you going to capture and hold your filtered water? I have a sawyer and it MUST be back flushed every 3 to 5 days.
2. SEEDS ...non GMO hereditary
How do you intend to plant, water, maintain and harvest? I didnt see any tools on your list!
3. Power bars (an entire backpack full) with 600 multi-vitamin tablets
This will get you by, but not enough cals for an extended walk or forced march.
4. Lighters 10 bics
Add a zippo. it can run on a variety of fuels and is more wind resistant.
5. Snarewire for TRAPPING...more effective than hunting
No, its not. Traps work, but I have had other animals steel the trapped dinner for their own meal.
6. Knowledge on how to build a teepee
With what supplies and tools? Where is your tarp/cover?
7. one multi-tool
And if you lose this one tool?
8. sword (katana) & 45 sub compact gloch (you will run out of bullets its more for last resort/ visible ''I have a gun'' defense)
A machete would be a better choice. Its a tool as well as a stand-off weapon.
9.Scrubs 1 set and Martial art gi double stich (literally made for fighting in durable...also the power of labeling) & merril shoes.
I wont even get into this here...
10. herbal knowledge for medicinals... 1800's american dyspensetary available at henriettasherbal.com for free download...(I am a CPHT/EMT my trade goods will be medicines)
....so pestel & mortar stehoscope Bp Cuff thermometer
You are going tp pack a mortar and pestal? What medicional herbs grow in your area of operations?
Map & Idea of where to Go.
I would hope so...add a compass or two to your kit!

Again, I am in no way attempting to slam you!!! I am simply trying to help. I will butt-out if you ask me to.
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Hey dante. Great list.

Might want to throw in a small but powerful magifying glass.
and a few small gold and silver coins, and sodium chlorite=MMS. Oh and a compass, gps could be down.

First hello and good to see you again my friend! I hope your doing well. As to your suggestions ....

magnifying glass is smart for fire perhaps but I have not tried this out....I will look into this. as for the gold and silver....well money loses its value in ''bugout'' situations but for the long haul it could be an idea, probabbly a cache item. Sodium chlorite....again cache item imho. Compass ...hopefully we will still have stars and moss will still grow on trees....bottom line I would not now nor then depend on GPS.


Are you serious? Do you actually believe that moss only grows on a certain side of the tree?

Wow...best of luck getting where you want to go while chewing on your bag full of power-bars. Do you have a tool to plant your seeds? What if they dont grow?
What of you need to leave that base? What if you break your sword? Seriously!

I am sorry if I sound harsh...it truly is not my intention. I have had students that built similar lists, they were cold and hungry by the end of a simple exercise.
your list:
Please educate yourself...protect your life!
1. Sawyer Water Filtration system ....1,000,000 gallons of pure drinking water avilable at REI & camelback.
How are you going to capture and hold your filtered water? I have a sawyer and it MUST be back flushed every 3 to 5 days.
2. SEEDS ...non GMO hereditary
How do you intend to plant, water, maintain and harvest? I didnt see any tools on your list!
3. Power bars (an entire backpack full) with 600 multi-vitamin tablets
This will get you by, but not enough cals for an extended walk or forced march.
4. Lighters 10 bics
Add a zippo. it can run on a variety of fuels and is more wind resistant.
5. Snarewire for TRAPPING...more effective than hunting
No, its not. Traps work, but I have had other animals steel the trapped dinner for their own meal.
6. Knowledge on how to build a teepee
With what supplies and tools? Where is your tarp/cover?
7. one multi-tool
And if you lose this one tool?
8. sword (katana) & 45 sub compact gloch (you will run out of bullets its more for last resort/ visible ''I have a gun'' defense)
A machete would be a better choice. Its a tool as well as a stand-off weapon.
9.Scrubs 1 set and Martial art gi double stich (literally made for fighting in durable...also the power of labeling) & merril shoes.
I wont even get into this here...
10. herbal knowledge for medicinals... 1800's american dyspensetary available at henriettasherbal.com for free download...(I am a CPHT/EMT my trade goods will be medicines)
....so pestel & mortar stehoscope Bp Cuff thermometer
You are going tp pack a mortar and pestal? What medicional herbs grow in your area of operations?
Map & Idea of where to Go.
I would hope so...add a compass or two to your kit!

Again, I am in no way attempting to slam you!!! I am simply trying to help. I will butt-out if you ask me to.
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if they dont grow I die. I accept that. This is not a fullproof BoB. As for tools to plant you can make tools.

backwash a sawyer is true however I dont think everything in existence will be atomized...I will use a container that I can find to hold the backwash water in.
This is assuming that I lose my clean catch bag which was part of the sawyer system I bought and is packed in the camelback.

the powerbars are to make due until I can scavenge hunt snare buy etc. something else. Again this is a BoB not a cache

Zippo's are a good consideration I may trade out the bics. Thankyou for this point.

Cowhide makes a good tarp...brain tan it. And yes there are still plenty of cattle in Texas.

If I lose the mulitool It would hurt and I may perhaps die so I better not.

If you had said kukri I might have bought it. My preference is for the katana for a multitude of reasons but principally I know how to use one. It is my personal weapon of choice. If people are trying to mirror this BoB please feel free to insert you said weapon of choice.

The clothing is a matter of labeling nothing more.

Almost every medicinal herb I could want is in the houston arboretum. as a matter of fact they have a class for those interested coming up on medicinal foliages and roots that are found in the houston and surrounding areas. WELL worth the money.

I know your not slamming me...why would you? I merely put my .02 cents out there. Constructive criticism is welcome. For example the zippo idea... not bad.
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Impressive OP

More then 20 million people around me in the town I'm living in. I have more than 1 reason that I can't just pack and leave when the shit would hit the fan so I settled with the idea that a possible escape isn't in it for me. I'm not worried about it and take the days as they come. Wishing you guys all the best though....

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God will provide for all, he will do the unimaginable. Don't worry, just pray!
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God will provide for all, he will do the unimaginable. Don't worry, just pray!
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Sure...NATURE (which equals or possibly is GOD) will take care automatically of things. That's how nature works as everybody should know!

Work with and respect it might probably bring positive rewards (as humans can't be sure of anything one needs to be very careful in making statements which are dealing in this type of matters).

Work against it and show total dis-respect for nature and we will most likely harvest the opposite.

Pray for something? Well...I did once prayed for something but if it was GOD who listened to me here I can't be sure of as I don't regard myself as somebody who is in title of such high attention. I also don't think that nature (a GOD) needs any praying or worshiping of pathetic little evil creatures who are capable of... even destroying themselves for just a little gain. Speaking in general here as I don't know much better then this.

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OK guys lets be sensible here-what about nuclear/Chem.. What do we do kiss our ass goodbye? NO, MRE, shelter and a water filtration system. Nuclear fall out-nofood. Need cann food items/water and shelter. Then you did because of radiation!
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OK guys lets be sensible here-what about nuclear/Chem.. What do we do kiss our ass goodbye? NO, MRE, shelter and a water filtration system. Nuclear fall out-nofood. Need cann food items/water and shelter. Then you did because of radiation!
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Then u die because of the nuclear fallout-radiation and cold.
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OK guys lets be sensible here-what about nuclear/Chem.. What do we do kiss our ass goodbye? NO, MRE, shelter and a water filtration system. Nuclear fall out-nofood. Need cann food items/water and shelter. Then you did because of radiation!

Then u die because of the nuclear fallout-radiation and cold.
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Will it make much difference? A human life time isn't that long you know. Gone before you know it. It might be a pity of a lost opportunity when humans would vanish from this earth. But other species vanish from this planet....so why not us?

O help....I'm going to die...o how awful! Even worse...we all are going to die! I'm wishing a sudden death.... Now you can have fun without me....lol

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GOD is nature....better get used to it.
Useful idiots...a Zionist wet dream!
Bloody hell ADL.....sue those
bastards (if not true).
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As been sent to me by a friend who found it on ATS
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“The Egg” by Andy Weir

You were on your way home when you died.
It was a car accident. Nothing particularly remarkable, but fatal nonetheless. You left behind a wife and two children. It was a painless death. The EMTs tried their best to save you, but to no avail. Your body was so utterly shattered you were better off, trust me.
And that’s when you met me.
“What… what happened?” You asked. “Where am I?”
“You died,” I said, matter-of-factly. No point in mincing words.
“There was a… a truck and it was skidding…”
“Yup,” I said.
“I… I died?”
“Yup. But don’t feel bad about it. Everyone dies,” I said.
You looked around. There was nothingness. Just you and me. “What is this place?” You asked. “Is this the afterlife?”
“More or less,” I said.
“Are you god?” You asked.
“Yup,” I replied. “I’m God.”
“My kids… my wife,” you said.
“What about them?”
“Will they be all right?”
“That’s what I like to see,” I said. “You just died and your main concern is for your family. That’s good stuff right there.”
You looked at me with fascination. To you, I didn’t look like God. I just looked like some man. Or possibly a woman. Some vague authority figure, maybe. More of a grammar school teacher than the almighty.
“Don’t worry,” I said. “They’ll be fine. Your kids will remember you as perfect in every way. They didn’t have time to grow contempt for you. Your wife will cry on the outside, but will be secretly relieved. To be fair, your marriage was falling apart. If it’s any consolation, she’ll feel very guilty for feeling relieved.”
“Oh,” you said. “So what happens now? Do I go to heaven or hell or something?”
“Neither,” I said. “You’ll be reincarnated.”
“Ah,” you said. “So the Hindus were right,”
“All religions are right in their own way,” I said. “Walk with me.”
You followed along as we strode through the void. “Where are we going?”
“Nowhere in particular,” I said. “It’s just nice to walk while we talk.”
“So what’s the point, then?” You asked. “When I get reborn, I’ll just be a blank slate, right? A baby. So all my experiences and everything I did in this life won’t matter.”
“Not so!” I said. “You have within you all the knowledge and experiences of all your past lives. You just don’t remember them right now.”
I stopped walking and took you by the shoulders. “Your soul is more magnificent, beautiful, and gigantic than you can possibly imagine. A human mind can only contain a tiny fraction of what you are. It’s like sticking your finger in a glass of water to see if it’s hot or cold. You put a tiny part of yourself into the vessel, and when you bring it back out, you’ve gained all the experiences it had.
“You’ve been in a human for the last 48 years, so you haven’t stretched out yet and felt the rest of your immense consciousness. If we hung out here for long enough, you’d start remembering everything. But there’s no point to doing that between each life.”
“How many times have I been reincarnated, then?”
“Oh lots. Lots and lots. An in to lots of different lives.” I said. “This time around, you’ll be a Chinese peasant girl in 540 AD.”
“Wait, what?” You stammered. “You’re sending me back in time?”
“Well, I guess technically. Time, as you know it, only exists in your universe. Things are different where I come from.”
“Where you come from?” You said.
“Oh sure,” I explained “I come from somewhere. Somewhere else. And there are others like me. I know you’ll want to know what it’s like there, but honestly you wouldn’t understand.”
“Oh,” you said, a little let down. “But wait. If I get reincarnated to other places in time, I could have interacted with myself at some point.”
“Sure. Happens all the time. And with both lives only aware of their own lifespan you don’t even know it’s happening.”
“So what’s the point of it all?”
“Seriously?” I asked. “Seriously? You’re asking me for the meaning of life? Isn’t that a little stereotypical?”
“Well it’s a reasonable question,” you persisted.
I looked you in the eye. “The meaning of life, the reason I made this whole universe, is for you to mature.”
“You mean mankind? You want us to mature?”
“No, just you. I made this whole universe for you. With each new life you grow and mature and become a larger and greater intellect.”
“Just me? What about everyone else?”
“There is no one else,” I said. “In this universe, there’s just you and me.”
You stared blankly at me. “But all the people on earth…”
“All you. Different incarnations of you.”
“Wait. I’m everyone!?”
“Now you’re getting it,” I said, with a congratulatory slap on the back.
“I’m every human being who ever lived?”
“Or who will ever live, yes.”
“I’m Abraham Lincoln?”
“And you’re John Wilkes Booth, too,” I added.
“I’m Hitler?” You said, appalled.
“And you’re the millions he killed.”
“I’m Jesus?”
“And you’re everyone who followed him.”
You fell silent.
“Every time you victimized someone,” I said, “you were victimizing yourself. Every act of kindness you’ve done, you’ve done to yourself. Every happy and sad moment ever experienced by any human was, or will be, experienced by you.”
You thought for a long time.
“Why?” You asked me. “Why do all this?”
“Because someday, you will become like me. Because that’s what you are. You’re one of my kind. You’re my child.”
“Whoa,” you said, incredulous. “You mean I’m a god?”
“No. Not yet. You’re a fetus. You’re still growing. Once you’ve lived every human life throughout all time, you will have grown enough to be born.”
“So the whole universe,” you said, “it’s just…”
“An egg.” I answered. “Now it’s time for you to move on to your next life.”
And I sent you on your way.
GOD is nature....better get used to it.
Useful idiots...a Zionist wet dream!
Bloody hell ADL.....sue those
bastards (if not true).
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Throw a coupla squirrel snares in your BOB. Takes virtually no space and provides and easy, passive method of acquiring food.
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After reading your post, I recommend you pack a dictionary as well.
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Your dumb ass is going to die. No knife, and no rifle= you are fucked.
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Two Cents worth... Unless you are hiking from some trailhead parking lot up to a provisioned cabin that is occupied by people who love and honor you, then a BOB smaller than an F350 4x4 crewcab hauling a 14' 8ton rated trailer is Too Small...

Might be able to haul enough gear to make your cabin in a rig like the above, or go here (//www.turtleexpedition.com/vehicles/turtle4.php) to see a tricked out but smaller rig.

All sorts of stuff like real axes, crosscut saws, portable winches that run on chainsaw powerheads, and chainsaws with AlaskaMill for ripping timber into boards in the outback, should be on your menu if you expect to make it.

Folding shovels? Not much of a longterm proposition.

Katana sword? Planning on battling the Crazy 88s?


Lots of bug-out-bag sites out there. I cited one in my On Survival thread a couple years back. Yet, anyone who thinks they can carry all they need in one backpack load is suicidal. Maybe a pack horse string, maybe a couple freighter canoes with outboards, maybe an ATV with HD trailer, but not walking unless you plan many, many trips in/out for gear transport.

Always the "to the mountains" dream scenario. InterMountain West, colder than much of Alaska there. Snows longer and Winter lasts longer.

Own some property off the main highways? That'd work. At least 20 mi from an interstate or major US highway. Couple miles off the blacktop, few neighbors helps. Self-sufficient capable place, but nowhere that is miles in the outback and at elevation extreme.


Defense pistol is a good idea. 10mm or .45acp. Good binoculars to help you see what you might encounter and take advance steps to evade and hide.

An old RV in decent running condition gives you a cabin on wheels you can live in wherever you windup. Try Craigslist or trader papers for one that some old guy is selling like a late 80s. Diesel is best, but large block will work. You want something that's been maintained with a low-hours generator by Onan or Kohler. Get one with plenty of load carrying rating. See the load rating plate on the vehicle and look at empty weight and Max Weight limit. Not safe to travel with excess of Max Load limit. 4k pounds of unused rating is about right, plus you can trailer if vehicle has the torque.


Need a decent shelter, place to stay Warm, Dry, shielded from the wind. 100' roll of 4 or 6 mil plastic sheeting will give you a lot to work with. Make a framework and carry a staple gun or other fastening tool. Put a very large tarp over your shelter. Look at debris hut construction. Tyvek also makes a great wind barrier. A double layer wind and water break with insulation (debris hut) will be fast to make and serve you well. Site it for drainage like just below crest of a hill. Dig water runoff trench so you don't flood and build a raised sleeping platform for your bed. Tyvek or poly is good for insulating you from the ground.

Need all the tools and food you can transport and gear to use and become self-sufficient. Not possible in a backpack bob if you expect a longterm survival potential above 10%.





GLP