Just some thoughts. Is it time to just leave.

Agree with that, Sickscent. We can all survive, and avoid the doom and gloom, if we change our habits. If we drop greed and blind obedience, and if we find a new source of food that's not industrial. However, that kind of opinions change, followed by concerted action and a willingness to change, and plain old massive earthquakes, are about as likely to happen just now.

Do you really think there can be that big of shift in mass consciousness, in what would appear to be a very short time. Could be wrong about the time frame.


Imagine the entire earth getting submerged in 'new' subtle energies...I can scientifically provide information to this effect...

Agree with that, Sickscent. We can all survive, and avoid the doom and gloom, if we change our habits. If we drop greed and blind obedience, and if we find a new source of food that's not industrial. However, that kind of opinions change, followed by concerted action and a willingness to change, and plain old massive earthquakes, are about as likely to happen just now.

Do you really think there can be that big of shift in mass consciousness, in what would appear to be a very short time. Could be wrong about the time frame.


Imagine the entire earth getting submerged in 'new' subtle energies...I can scientifically provide information to this effect...

Well thanks for all your input everyone. sounds like there is a level of agree among those of you who responded. Aloha rken

It certainly is time to just leave, or something drastic like that. Consider the world of 100 years ago, the sizes communities had, the power relationships between people, how untouched nature was. Fastforward to today. Can you find a way to turn back? Yes, massive destruction of human works. And that is pretty drastic, or dissonant, but is only the way to get back to coherence.

A large enough geomagnetic storm should take care of us. It would be better than other alternatives (ie. nuclear war). It would force us to live off the land again. It would force us to be respect and befriend our neighbors again. We would have to come together as a society. Sometimes when I see hordes of people clicking away texting on cell phones and beating meaningless info into a computer I have to wonder if what we created was even worth it.

I have thought the same thing. Every since the thread " some of you are close" and some of sickscents posts.

I'm afraid there would be a tremendous lose of life in the after math of such an event.

It certainly is time to just leave, or something drastic like that. Consider the world of 100 years ago, the sizes communities had, the power relationships between people, how untouched nature was. Fastforward to today. Can you find a way to turn back? Yes, massive destruction of human works. And that is pretty drastic, or dissonant, but is only the way to get back to coherence.

A large enough geomagnetic storm should take care of us. It would be better than other alternatives (ie. nuclear war). It would force us to live off the land again. It would force us to be respect and befriend our neighbors again. We would have to come together as a society. Sometimes when I see hordes of people clicking away texting on cell phones and beating meaningless info into a computer I have to wonder if what we created was even worth it.

I have thought the same thing. Every since the thread " some of you are close" and some of sickscents posts.

I'm afraid there would be a tremendous lose of life in the after math of such an event.



I agree with this also..the first year after such an event would be total chaos..total mayhem..unless some kind of divine intervention would take place I don`t think we can avoid millions of deaths..violence or self defense that we couldn`t even imagine would be in order...interesting times we live in...all we can do is plan the best we can..

any thoughts.

Just some thoughts

Not One of us reading this thread is not in some way contributing to the destruction of this planet.

For humans to live, we must use, and make things that pollute this world.

No problem when there are just a few of us, the earth can handle.

Is there a intelligent communicaton/connection between all life on the planet. Does it communicate on a level that as we move further and further away from a natural state, we become less and less responsive to that level of communication on a subconscious level. Many things suggest this is true.

If there is a intelligent communication going on and it knows that the world is at a tipping point in terms of the life and death of life forms other than humans, how would it respond. Is it capable in a short period of time able to evolve a solution to the problem.

How does this relate to leaving the garden and original sin as an allegory.

Maybe its time to go home, or is it just the next step in becoming. rken

Well thanks for all your input everyone. sounds like there is a level of agree among those of you who responded. Aloha rken

As to your original comments, some of us believe that we never ever left or were kicked out of the garden; that we live in it. And just that one thought can change the idea that you're separate from the garden(earth) and separate from everything else.Separate meaning not in harmony or having a relationship with everything.

Just an opinion.

By the way, OP, have you ever read The Ringing Cedars Series of books by Vladimir Megre? It's about a recluse living in Siberia. Not sure if it's real or not but there are some very interesting ideas presented that would go along with this discussion. (there are 9 books in the series, by the way)

Not sure try amazon. I picked mine up at a local bookstore.

Not sure try amazon. I picked mine up at a local bookstore.

Yes its available from amazon.com trying to locate some exerts.

Can we turn this around is the question or will we like so many civilizations before us, once again start from scratch. rken


It is possible, I guess, but in North America and probably Asia, I'm not sure, it's probably not. I'll cite my parents as an example, I guess, they're typical tithe-paying Christians who think it's a god-given right to consume. They consider it to be a blessing from god. I guess it's pretty difficult to consume continually in a finite system where we really don't have infinite resources or make much effort to replenish what we do consume. Oh, by the way, in those books I mentioned they do present a way to do it but I just can't see people changing enough to try unless there was some outside circumstance (massive solar flare) that would force them to.

It certainly is time to just leave, or something drastic like that. Consider the world of 100 years ago, the sizes communities had, the power relationships between people, how untouched nature was. Fastforward to today. Can you find a way to turn back? Yes, massive destruction of human works. And that is pretty drastic, or dissonant, but is only the way to get back to coherence.

A large enough geomagnetic storm should take care of us. It would be better than other alternatives (ie. nuclear war). It would force us to live off the land again. It would force us to be respect and befriend our neighbors again. We would have to come together as a society. Sometimes when I see hordes of people clicking away texting on cell phones and beating meaningless info into a computer I have to wonder if what we created was even worth it.

I have thought the same thing. Every since the thread " some of you are close" and some of sickscents posts.

I'm afraid there would be a tremendous lose of life in the after math of such an event.



I agree with this also..the first year after such an event would be total chaos..total mayhem..unless some kind of divine intervention would take place I don`t think we can avoid millions of deaths..violence or self defense that we couldn`t even imagine would be in order...interesting times we live in...all we can do is plan the best we can..

Well when I look back over my life it has been the hard times that I have gained the most incites about life, ask the hard questions. Maybe that what it takes. Out of great diversity, could come unity. Hoping so. rken

It certainly is time to just leave, or something drastic like that. Consider the world of 100 years ago, the sizes communities had, the power relationships between people, how untouched nature was. Fastforward to today. Can you find a way to turn back? Yes, massive destruction of human works. And that is pretty drastic, or dissonant, but is only the way to get back to coherence.

A large enough geomagnetic storm should take care of us. It would be better than other alternatives (ie. nuclear war). It would force us to live off the land again. It would force us to be respect and befriend our neighbors again. We would have to come together as a society. Sometimes when I see hordes of people clicking away texting on cell phones and beating meaningless info into a computer I have to wonder if what we created was even worth it.

I have thought the same thing. Every since the thread " some of you are close" and some of sickscents posts.

I'm afraid there would be a tremendous lose of life in the after math of such an event.



I agree with this also..the first year after such an event would be total chaos..total mayhem..unless some kind of divine intervention would take place I don`t think we can avoid millions of deaths..violence or self defense that we couldn`t even imagine would be in order...interesting times we live in...all we can do is plan the best we can..

Well when I look back over my life it has been the hard times that I have gained the most incites about life, ask the hard questions. Maybe that what it takes. Out of great diversity, could come unity. Hoping so. rken

It certainly is time to just leave, or something drastic like that. Consider the world of 100 years ago, the sizes communities had, the power relationships between people, how untouched nature was. Fastforward to today. Can you find a way to turn back? Yes, massive destruction of human works. And that is pretty drastic, or dissonant, but is only the way to get back to coherence.

A large enough geomagnetic storm should take care of us. It would be better than other alternatives (ie. nuclear war). It would force us to live off the land again. It would force us to be respect and befriend our neighbors again. We would have to come together as a society. Sometimes when I see hordes of people clicking away texting on cell phones and beating meaningless info into a computer I have to wonder if what we created was even worth it.

I have thought the same thing. Every since the thread " some of you are close" and some of sickscents posts.

I'm afraid there would be a tremendous lose of life in the after math of such an event.



I agree with this also..the first year after such an event would be total chaos..total mayhem..unless some kind of divine intervention would take place I don`t think we can avoid millions of deaths..violence or self defense that we couldn`t even imagine would be in order...interesting times we live in...all we can do is plan the best we can..

Well when I look back over my life it has been the hard times that I have gained the most incites about life, ask the hard questions. Maybe that what it takes. Out of great diversity, could come unity. Hoping so. rken

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Not One of us reading this thread is not in some way contributing to the destruction of this planet. For humans to live, we must use, and make things that pollute this world. No problem when there are just a few of us, the earth can handle.

Is there an intelligent communicaton/connection between all life on the planet. Does it communicate on a level that as we move further and further away from a natural state, we become less and less responsive to that level of communication on a subconscious level. Many things suggest this is true.

If there is an intelligent communication going on and it knows that the world is at a tipping point in terms of the life and death of life forms other than humans, how would it respond. Is it capable in a short period of time able to evolve a solution to the problem.

How does this relate to leaving the garden and original sin as an allegory?

Maybe its time to go home, or is it just the next step in becoming. rken

Not One of us reading this thread is not in some way contributing to the destruction of this planet. For humans to live, we must use, and make things that pollute this world. No problem when there are just a few of us, the earth can handle.


"There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so." --Hamlet, Act 2, Scene 2

The narrowest possible perspective is always the most inaccurate (i.e., I-me-mine aka Earthling, Jingoist, Egoist). Whereas the widest possible perspective is always the most accurate (i.e., Existence, Being, Totality -- GodHead, ChristsHeart, BuddhaMind).

From the widest POV, it's not so much "destruction" "or pollution" as it is simply change. Even if we had a nuclear WWIII, we could never change the world as much as the last MSE asteroid impact -- and the world "recovered" from that just fine. But either way, it's just change. A trillion other planets/civilization go through the same thing every few millenia, so it's really no big deal.



Is there an intelligent communicaton/connection between all life on the planet. Does it communicate on a level that as we move further and further away from a natural state, we become less and less responsive to that level of communication on a subconscious level. Many things suggest this is true.


Yes, but not in the way you imagine ... the communication/connection is more immediate and pragmatic, as in cause-and-effect ... like spiritual connection/intuition between Native Americans living in harmony with nature ... as opposed to greedy companies and unhealthy couch potatoes destroying the Gulf for cheap petrol (and killing each other over the same infinite natural resources all the time).



If there is an intelligent communication going on and it knows that the world is at a tipping point in terms of the life and death of life forms other than humans, how would it respond. Is it capable in a short period of time able to evolve a solution to the problem.


Yes, but not in the way you imagine ... the Earth has been responding all along, ever since the industrial age via the changing environment. There is no "tipping point" per se, from the galactic POV, there is only change.



How does this relate to leaving the garden and original sin as an allegory?


The garden is that which lasts forever (the Tao, Totality, pure awareness -- the unmanifest "spirit" which is immune to cause-and-effect: GodHead, ChristsHeart, BuddhaMind). Whereas original "sin" is the manifest, which comes from the unmanifest, and is not immune to cause-and-effect and so does not last forever (energy and matter and physical reality). That's why Christ said, "My kingdom is not of this world."



Maybe its time to go home, or is it just the next step in becoming. rken


Yes and No. It is the next step, but we are already home. We have always been home, and we always will be. For there is no other place to go. Home is the Totality, and we are it.