Does God Predestine Some Men to Hell? (Double Predestination Explained Rightly)

We can't question God in this matter.

Did you know that any soul not achieving

Heaven is trapped forever?

A part of God gone forever?

You think God is happy with that?

You can blame Lucifer for this bit

of idiocy.

God is not an impotent God.

And all are caught by Gods faithfulness.

The issue of election is of utmost importance. You see, if God does not restrain evil (especially within our hearts) then we will all perish; we will all wander away like sheep.

Like Revelation 6:1, when Jesus opens the first seal, He is giving the world what they want: another Nimrod to build and rule their Babylon. The world is becoming increasingly hostile to God, because they lust after their sins more and more. Therefore, God is giving them over to their unbridled lusts so that they may have what they want: their desire to dishonor their own bodies (which were originally designed to be temples of God) because of their love for sin, lies, and their hate for God.

more crazy fucking religious people... thats pretty bad considering youre on a UFO and conspiracy site :/

Know what's funny?

Let's say a guy is SUPER "christian" - you could even say he is DRUNK on god.

So he preaches and preaches to everyone that will listen, everyone that won't listen, and many that never ask. He assumes it is his duty to "save the unbelievers" and offer his testimonial that his particular spin on a man-made book (supposedly written by god) is THE TRUTH and that if you don't listen and agree, then you are doomed to eternal hell and damnation, by a god that loves you.

So maybe someone says, "hey - I don't believe that story and you don't have any proof". But that doesn't stop him. He believes that if he quotes long passages from that book, that it will prove the book. He assumes that if you don't believe his version, that you are doomed and it is his duty (god told him) to make SURE that you "get the message" of AGREE WITH THIS LOVING gOD OR SUFFER FOR ETERNITY.

By now, he is getting real irritating. He just gets more annoyed, quoting MORE verses, expecting any second that you will say "thank you so much for changing the way that I think - HALLELUJAH!". Only when you don't he gets offended. He assumes that it must be "Satan" or evil spirits.

He is incapable of any thought that isn't pre-approved by the bible. An he does little more than drive people AWAY from that book and religion in general.

Does this type of person really represent a god? Does he actually do anything positive for his religion? OR does he actually help people see the insanity of organized religion?

I get the feeling he hurts his own cause. Or maybe it's just evil demons...

If you believe GOD is all knowing,knowing the end from the beginning then you would also have to believe that we are predestined to one place or the other.If you believe we are not predestined then you would have to believe GOD is not all knowing.It can only be one or the other.In other words when GOD created you he knew your end from your beginning therefore you were predestined.Simple.

A good portion of B+ and AB+ men are predistined to Hell.

Calvinism sucks ... it's almost like calvinism's God is the serpent of Genesis, because what they're saying is downright evil.

Jesus is AB I think. [link to en.wikipedia.org]

I puking in my mouth right now.

Predestination is a good example of how Satan, the master of half-truths, can spawn a false system of beliefs. He likes to keep the church divided. This will change when Christ returns. Right wing Calvinists who have bought into this however view the elect as predestined. As such they do not put much effort into spreading the gospel to others.

The truth can be discerned by doing a study of "first fruits" as seen in both the Old Testament and New Testament. The first fruits are always the best.

Another study can be done of "remnant." God always preserves a remnant.


The early believers were referred to as first fruits. They worshiped God from house to house, shared their possessions, and did not put time limits on their singing/praise to God.


Without God electing them......being involved......calling out to Paul directly, etc.........there would have been no early church.


Remember that for the epistles.......100% of it is applicable to those receiving the letter......while certain things are not applicable to Christians in the future.


For example.....from Paul: "And when I was present with you, and in need, I was a burden to no one....." (2 Cor 11:9)

Applies to the early believers at Corinth.....not us.


James 1:18: "Of His own will He brought us forth by the word of truth, that we might be a kind of firstfruits of His creatures."

"And not only they, but we also who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly awaiting for the adoption....." Rm 8:23

"For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son....." Rm 8:29


".....in whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being PREDESTINED according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will, THAT WE WHO FIRST TRUSTED IN CHRIST, should be to the praise of His glory." Eph 1:12


THE EARLY BELIEVERS WERE THE ONES PRE-DESTINED.


"Him God raised up on the third day, and showed Him openly, not to all people, BUT TO WITNESSES CHOSEN BEFORE BY GOD." Acts 10:40-41

"Likewise greet the church that is in their house. Greet my beloved Epaenetus, who is the FIRSTFRUITS of Asia to Christ." Rm 10:5

"I urge you brethren-you know the household of Stephanas, that it is the FIRSTFRUITS of Achaia, and that they have devoted themselves to the ministry of the saints (1 Cor.16:15)

The early Christians were also referred to as a "remnant."


"Lord, they have killed Your prophets and torn down Your altars, and I alone am left, and they seek my life. But what does the divine response say to him?

"I have reserved for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal."

"EVEN SO THEN, AT THIS PRESENT TIME THERE IS A REMNANT ACCORDING TO THE ELECTION OF GRACE." (Rm 11:3-5)


The early believers were therefore a very special and unique group. Things were pre-ordained by God to happen. From this early church brought about by God......the Gospel has since spread to all nations.


Predestination applies to the early believers......and it is error to apply this throughout all ages and to all people.


Although we know from other Scripture that most people will ultimately reject Christ.....the nature of God is described well in the following verse:

"The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance." (2 Peter 3:9)

Calvinism is a dangerous theology. I don't subscribe to it. I subscribe to the Bible. Watch the video; it explains the Biblical doctrine of predestination very clearly and in a way which is easy to understand.

I hope you aren't eating it! Pro 26:11; 2Peter 2:20-22



Last Edited by Aenon on 08/23/2010 02:29 AM

The above comment is proof that most people prefer their ignorance over the pursuit of truth. (Pro 18:13)

I can attest to this fact, because I've been there myself!

Please view the entire video this time and then come back and tell me what you think.

Last Edited by Aenon on 08/23/2010 02:33 AM

You've been to "hell" OP? And how did you get out????

I need to say another thing. I do apologize for not applying this point to my first reply to you before I posted it.

First, I would like to say that I am not a Calvinist nor do I subscribe to Calvinist beliefs; and that is the last time I will say that to anyone on this thread.

Second, your argument is akin to a common argument against the Pre-Tribulation Rapture theology. I just couldn't disagree more with it. It's the opposite to what you claim which is true.


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Last Edited by Aenon on 08/23/2010 02:44 AM

I suppose I've been there partially. A life without Jesus is almost literally hell, as I might not have survived many things in my life without Him holding me up.

DOUBLE PREDESTINATION WOULD ONLY BE POSSIBLE IN THE FOLLOWING WAY.I BASE THIS ON THE BOOK OF REVELATION ALONE WHERE ETERNITY BREAKS THRU FROM TIME ITS SELF. I PROPOSE THAT THERE IS A FUTURE YOU AND ME SPOKEN OF IN REVELATION.IN OTHER WORDS WE ARE ALREADY PRESENT IN ETERNITY AS I WRITE THIS.TIME MOVES IN ONE DIRECTION FOLLOWING A PERFECT CONTINUENCE THAT LEADS ULTIMATELY INTO FOREVER.TIME ITS SELF IS BOARDERED ON BOTH SIDES BY ETERNITY.GOD INHABITS ETERNITY BUT HAS CONTROL OF EACH AND EVERY LINK OF HISTORY.READ REVELATION AND DO SO IN LIGHT OF ANY TIME CONTEXTS AND YOU FIND THAT THE ENTIRE FUTURE IS SET BY GOD. IT IS COMPLETE AT THAT POINT.ITS ALL ABOUT GODS PLANS NOT OURS.AS CHRISTIANS WE ARE ALREADY WITH THE FATHER AND NOTHING CAN CHANGE THAT.PRAISE GOD!HE WILL HAVE MERCY ON WHOM HE WILL AND THE REST ARE HARDENED.THIS OBVIOUSLY MESSES WITH MANS QUEST FOR COMPLETE CONTROL OVER HIS OWN DESTINY.WITH THAT I REST MY CASE BROTHERS AND SISTERS.