Roman Catholic Seminarian turned Muslim...My experiences.

When the tribe of Bani Quraiza was ready to accept Sad's judgment, Allah's Apostle sent for Sad who was near to him. Sad came, riding a donkey and when he came near, Allah's Apostle said (to the Ansar), "Stand up for your leader." Then Sad came and sat beside Allah's Apostle who said to him. "These people are ready to accept your judgment." Sad said, "I give the judgment that their warriors should be killed and their children and women should be taken as prisoners." The Prophet then remarked, "O Sad! You have judged amongst them with (or similar to) the judgment of the King Allah." (Sahih Bukhari, 4:52:280)

In the corresponding place in Ibn Ishaq (689) Muhammad says to Sa'd: "You have given the judgment of Allah above the seven heavens." Clearly Muhammad is pleased. This is the outcome he wanted and expected. And this should come as no surprise. Muhammad wanted to do the same to the other two Jewish tribes, but was restrained and settled for exiling them.

Concerning the Bani Qaynuqa, we read:

'Abdullah b. Ubayy b. Salul [of the tribe of Khazraj in Medina] went to him when God had put them [the Qaynuqa] in his power and said, "O Muhammad, deal kindly with my clients" (now they were allies of Khazraj), but the apostle put him off. He repeated the words, and the apostle turned away from him, whereupon he thrust his hand into the collar of the apostle's robe; the apostle was so angry that his face became almost black. He said, "Confound you, let me go." He answered, "No, by God, I will not let you go until you deal kindly with my clients. Four hundred men without mail and three hundred mailed protected me from all mine enemies; would you cut them down in one morning? By God, I am a man who fears that circumstances may change." The apostle said, "You can have them." (Ibn Ishaq, 546)

Concerning the Bani Nadir, we have already quoted from the Qur'an above:

And had it not been that Allah had decreed banishment for them, He would certainly have punished them in this world. (59:3)

Ibn Ishaq (654) takes "punished them in this world" to mean "with the sword." In other words, the Bani Nadir, like the Bani Qaynuqa, got off easy, something not to be repeated with the Quraiza.

This time Muhammad obtained an endorsement of his murderous intent from someone known to be hostile toward the Jews, yet from a tribe formerly allied to them, the Aws, thus making impossible any further protest by members of that tribe.

Muhammad went to the market in Medina and dug trenches. Then the men of Quraiza were brought out in batches, and Muhammad and his followers cut off their heads. According to Ibn Ishaq (690), the number of dead ranged between 600 and 900. Afterwards Muhammad divided their property, their women, and their children among his followers.

A number of ahadith supply additional details. How did Muhammad distinguish the adult males, who would be executed, from the children, whose lives would be spared?

Narrated Atiyyah al-Qurazi: I was among the captives of Banu Qurayzah. They (the Companions) examined us, and those who had begun to grow hair (pubes) were killed, and those who had not were not killed. I was among those who had not grown hair. (Sunan Abu Dawud, 38:4390)

"Adult" males marked for death could be very young indeed.

The following hadith is one of the most widely quoted even today to justify anti-Semitic hatred:

Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews. (Sahih Muslim, 41:6985; see also 41:6981-84 and Sahih Bukhari, 4:52:176,177 and 4:56:791)

I spent 6 years studying in college to become a Roman Catholic priest....History Archeaology Philosophy etc...I am a convert to Islam.

I make no apology. I am not here to apostlytize.

I am going to show how I came to this ...and allow others to see some of my thoughts in this regard as requested by others here on GLP.

++++I reserve the right to ignore people on this thread due to the personal nature of it.+++++

I am posting my thoughts for GLP to share and discuss not for me to Lead this thread.

first the basics....

Why believe in a god in the first place?
cosmological teleological ontological proofs notwithstanding....Mathematics in Rene descartes 7 days meditations takes geometry from ''origin'' (0,0,0) in an effort to deduce from God a world.....Geometry works today. aether Physics quantum mechanics too many others to list...

Well whats God like then if he exists?
Omnibenevolent Omniscient Omnipotent etc...these are Necessary Qualities to ascribe to a God by DEFINITION.....ie it is a tautology to define God as anything else.

Well then I started to discern the various religions based upon my understandings of the above....
example:
Norse have Thor and Odin amongst other Gods....the essence being a split of power = not Omnipotent....thus fail.

worship of the Sun
sun = urning plasma etc...=not Omniscient= fail

and proceeded with more and more mythos and religions until to my satisfaction had the three Abrahamic ones.

I Judaism
II Christianity
III Islam

First to christianity....
For 1500 years there was no differentiation (only after Martin Luther wrote his theses) in OFFICIAL church doctorine.

After the council of Nicea (and consequently the edict of milan that made christianity the official religion of rome) was there a consensus in belief....these occured around the year 300

During the deliberations the apocrypha were denoted and summarily exiled from the bible(yes parts of the bible were debated and removed).

this lead to differing interpretations of theology which persist to today. ....ie 2nd maccabbees...purgatory issue.''holy thought to pray for the dead''...etc.

in essence a disagreement over what should be in the bible and thus belief

Judaism follows the Torah
Which is itself written in various form EJP (elohist yawhist priestly) versions...during the abylonian captivity.
Essentially the jews copied Sumerian stories and attributed the stories to ''judaic'' essences..

example
Noahs flood account= Epic story of Gilgamesh which is much older and was in the area written on the ziggurat that the jews were captured in....
Moses=Sargon1st parallels possibly etc.
even the story of david slaying goliath goliath= Elhanan, the son of Jaareoregim slew goliath...David served the phillistines against the israelites.
the point is the stories have been manipulated to serve theological ends....

Which leads to Islam which says in Essence The bible is correct except for ''XYZ'' and ''xyz'' interpretations are wrong....it actually went down like this....

a long intro I know ...again I make no apology. I am merely sharing why I am muslim. Judging from the fact that thousands of peoeople have read my threads I guess there is at least one ''good muslim''....I wish GLP would end its tirade of hate against Islam. I wish you all well.God bless us all.



Took me a while to understand just why you rejected Christianity,
it came down to this?
"in essence a disagreement over what should be in the bible and thus belief"
for me the disgreements are a sign of life..

"Which leads to Islam which says in Essence The bible is correct except for ''XYZ'' and ''xyz'' interpretations are wrong....it actually went down like this...."

isn't that just a further disagreement?

First, Thankyou for at least trying to understand. Further disagreement that can be verified. The Quran is unadulterated. There is only one ''version''.Inside the Quran are references to things that humanity has only recently begun to understand scientifically. The disagreements ended for me when a message was given with clarity.

Fallenmonk
Yes I am close to God.

To the poster who wanted me to Post my name...No. I have been attacked verbally long enough. I do not need to be attacked physically.

To all I am tired and will be going to bed now. Good night and God bless you all.

Pardon me Peewee, but have you ever noticed that "religion" in general and the abegod blood cults in particular are all about slavery?


Ac 825839,

You didn't reply to the Protestant inquisition in England and their persecution of Catholics in Ireland and here.

Did you change the subject for a reason?


LMAO..did I stutter? I could care less which verion of blood cult you worship,or which blood cult did what to another blood cult... They are all truly wicked in nature and practice.

You, and all abegod blood cultists worship an insidious, capricious, bloodthirsty beast who XXXXXXXXXXXXX

To top it all off, you PROUDLY choose to worship catholicism,,THE most insidious of the sun god blood cults.


What a gentleman, I want to follow what you believe, love your idiot pornographic reply.

You've repeated the same "blood cult" whatever it meant three times. Think for yourself. Ah, the "sun god" put down, another of E.G. White's terms.

Don't speak of Catholic sin till you can defend your own
inquisition and persecution of others. Can you imagine
Ireland to ever be one peaceful Catholic Nation that it
once was Ac>

I am so sorry, it's obvious you don't understand or know
anything about the faith.

Which Protestant sect were you baptized into?

Pardon me Peewee, but have you ever noticed that "religion" in general and the abegod blood cults in particular are all about slavery?


Ac 825839,

You didn't reply to the Protestant inquisition in England and their persecution of Catholics in Ireland and here.

Did you change the subject for a reason?


LMAO..did I stutter? I could care less which verion of blood cult you worship,or which blood cult did what to another blood cult... They are all truly wicked in nature and practice.

You, and all abegod blood cultists worship an insidious, capricious, bloodthirsty beast who XXXXXXXXXXXXX

To top it all off, you PROUDLY choose to worship catholicism,,THE most insidious of the sun god blood cults.


What a gentleman, I want to follow what you believe, love your idiot pornographic reply.

You've repeated the same "blood cult" whatever it meant three times. Think for yourself. Ah, the "sun god" put down, another of E.G. White's terms.

Don't speak of Catholic sin till you can defend your own
inquisition and persecution of others. Can you imagine
Ireland to ever be one peaceful Catholic Nation that it
once was Ac>

I am so sorry, it's obvious you don't understand or know
anything about the faith.

Which Protestant sect were you baptized into?


Don't know what I mean by blood cult? Surely you jest. Drink any blood lately? Washed by the blood of the "lamb" much lately

You clearly do not possess the capacity to understand what I write.

Listen carefully....I am not a memeber of any abegod cult. I do not worship a beast that demands human and animal sacrifice in order to be absolved of sins I did not commit. Any "thing" that demands sacrifice (human and animal),blind respect and worship at the expense of eternal pain and suffering...is not god. "It" is a beast.

I will freely speak of anything I choose, because I am not bound by some idiot(s) with a hat who pretends he is in communion with a "god".

The history of your cult would be laughable, if it weren't stained by the blood of uncountable innocent men women and children. And that goes for any of the abegod blood cults.

Your penicious, condescending church lady attitude makes it very easy for me to speak bluntly.

You will be ashamed of your thoughts and actions here soon enough, I imagine.

When should I listen, before or after you post of a sexual
act that is not of God? Sick. It makes whatever you say
not believable. Do you think many read beyond anyone's
posted slime and vulgarity?

You don't know a about Catholicism only to condemn it and why...you know nothing about it? Read some Catholic writing for a change, educated yourself. It will save your
soul and that's not bragging.

Do you remember, God requiring an animal sacrifice at one time and then in love God coming in the New Covenant and sacrificing Himself! Ac, God wants us always to remember Christ's suffering and we do. Jesus' sacrifice for us is offered to the Father at every Mass. The only difference, it is unbloody. The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is the greatest form of worship, the Mass saves the world.

When should I listen, before or after you post of a sexual
act that is not of God? Sick. It makes whatever you say
not believable. Do you think many read beyond anyone's
posted slime and vulgarity?

You don't know a about Catholicism only to condemn it and why...you know nothing about it? Read some Catholic writing for a change, educated yourself. It will save your
soul and that's not bragging.

Do you remember, God requiring an animal sacrifice at one time and then in love God coming in the New Covenant and sacrificing Himself! Ac, God wants us always to remember Christ's suffering and we do. Jesus' sacrifice for us is offered to the Father at every Mass. The only difference, it is unbloody. The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is the greatest form of worship, the Mass saves the world.

+ + +

I would venture to guess that I've read, honestly contemplated and rejected more catholic/pauline writings than you would care to know.

I do not intend to argue the moot points of your cult, or any other cult, for that matter. I've thoroughly studied them and deemed them to be utterly insane.

I spent 6 years studying in college to become a Roman Catholic priest....History Archeaology Philosophy etc...I am a convert to Islam.

I make no apology. I am not here to apostlytize.

I am going to show how I came to this ...and allow others to see some of my thoughts in this regard as requested by others here on GLP.

++++I reserve the right to ignore people on this thread due to the personal nature of it.+++++

I am posting my thoughts for GLP to share and discuss not for me to Lead this thread.

first the basics....

Why believe in a god in the first place?
cosmological teleological ontological proofs notwithstanding....Mathematics in Rene descartes 7 days meditations takes geometry from ''origin'' (0,0,0) in an effort to deduce from God a world.....Geometry works today. aether Physics quantum mechanics too many others to list...

Well whats God like then if he exists?
Omnibenevolent Omniscient Omnipotent etc...these are Necessary Qualities to ascribe to a God by DEFINITION.....ie it is a tautology to define God as anything else.

Well then I started to discern the various religions based upon my understandings of the above....
example:
Norse have Thor and Odin amongst other Gods....the essence being a split of power = not Omnipotent....thus fail.

worship of the Sun
sun = urning plasma etc...=not Omniscient= fail

and proceeded with more and more mythos and religions until to my satisfaction had the three Abrahamic ones.

I Judaism
II Christianity
III Islam

First to christianity....
For 1500 years there was no differentiation (only after Martin Luther wrote his theses) in OFFICIAL church doctorine.

After the council of Nicea (and consequently the edict of milan that made christianity the official religion of rome) was there a consensus in belief....these occured around the year 300

During the deliberations the apocrypha were denoted and summarily exiled from the bible(yes parts of the bible were debated and removed).

this lead to differing interpretations of theology which persist to today. ....ie 2nd maccabbees...purgatory issue.''holy thought to pray for the dead''...etc.

in essence a disagreement over what should be in the bible and thus belief

Judaism follows the Torah
Which is itself written in various form EJP (elohist yawhist priestly) versions...during the abylonian captivity.
Essentially the jews copied Sumerian stories and attributed the stories to ''judaic'' essences..

example
Noahs flood account= Epic story of Gilgamesh which is much older and was in the area written on the ziggurat that the jews were captured in....
Moses=Sargon1st parallels possibly etc.
even the story of david slaying goliath goliath= Elhanan, the son of Jaareoregim slew goliath...David served the phillistines against the israelites.
the point is the stories have been manipulated to serve theological ends....

Which leads to Islam which says in Essence The bible is correct except for ''XYZ'' and ''xyz'' interpretations are wrong....it actually went down like this....

a long intro I know ...again I make no apology. I am merely sharing why I am muslim. Judging from the fact that thousands of peoeople have read my threads I guess there is at least one ''good muslim''....I wish GLP would end its tirade of hate against Islam. I wish you all well.God bless us all.

I spent 6 years studying in college to become a Roman Catholic priest....History Archeaology Philosophy etc...I am a convert to Islam.

I make no apology. I am not here to apostlytize.

I am going to show how I came to this ...and allow others to see some of my thoughts in this regard as requested by others here on GLP.

++++I reserve the right to ignore people on this thread due to the personal nature of it.+++++

I am posting my thoughts for GLP to share and discuss not for me to Lead this thread.

first the basics....

Why believe in a god in the first place?
cosmological teleological ontological proofs notwithstanding....Mathematics in Rene descartes 7 days meditations takes geometry from ''origin'' (0,0,0) in an effort to deduce from God a world.....Geometry works today. aether Physics quantum mechanics too many others to list...

Well whats God like then if he exists?
Omnibenevolent Omniscient Omnipotent etc...these are Necessary Qualities to ascribe to a God by DEFINITION.....ie it is a tautology to define God as anything else.

Well then I started to discern the various religions based upon my understandings of the above....
example:
Norse have Thor and Odin amongst other Gods....the essence being a split of power = not Omnipotent....thus fail.

worship of the Sun
sun = urning plasma etc...=not Omniscient= fail

and proceeded with more and more mythos and religions until to my satisfaction had the three Abrahamic ones.

I Judaism
II Christianity
III Islam

First to christianity....
For 1500 years there was no differentiation (only after Martin Luther wrote his theses) in OFFICIAL church doctorine.

After the council of Nicea (and consequently the edict of milan that made christianity the official religion of rome) was there a consensus in belief....these occured around the year 300

During the deliberations the apocrypha were denoted and summarily exiled from the bible(yes parts of the bible were debated and removed).

this lead to differing interpretations of theology which persist to today. ....ie 2nd maccabbees...purgatory issue.''holy thought to pray for the dead''...etc.

in essence a disagreement over what should be in the bible and thus belief

Judaism follows the Torah
Which is itself written in various form EJP (elohist yawhist priestly) versions...during the abylonian captivity.
Essentially the jews copied Sumerian stories and attributed the stories to ''judaic'' essences..

example
Noahs flood account= Epic story of Gilgamesh which is much older and was in the area written on the ziggurat that the jews were captured in....
Moses=Sargon1st parallels possibly etc.
even the story of david slaying goliath goliath= Elhanan, the son of Jaareoregim slew goliath...David served the phillistines against the israelites.
the point is the stories have been manipulated to serve theological ends....

Which leads to Islam which says in Essence The bible is correct except for ''XYZ'' and ''xyz'' interpretations are wrong....it actually went down like this....

a long intro I know ...again I make no apology. I am merely sharing why I am muslim. Judging from the fact that thousands of peoeople have read my threads I guess there is at least one ''good muslim''....I wish GLP would end its tirade of hate against Islam. I wish you all well.God bless us all.