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Roman Catholic Seminarian turned Muslim...My experiences.

 
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Do you believe in Jesus and His teachings?

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Do you believe in Jesus?
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To me jesus was a good qumranian essene jew who tried to lead a people back to abrahamic tradition and preached love faith and hope. I believe he was a prophet and a good man.
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Which leads to Islam which says in Essence The bible is correct .


...which leads you back to the Bible, where you began.

....correct with a different understanding and interpretation and extrapolation.


so in effect you are a musloistian.

Muslims believe in the prophets that came before. Hence an understanding of the bible is a good thing. I am not a musloistian I am a Muslim. I believe in the God of Abraham. I do not believe christ was God.
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All "gods" of abe are bloodthirsty tyrants who demand human and animal sacrifice in order to obtain "salvation"..

think this through...if you have any objective sense of reason or sanity left, it should soon nauseate you.

As it stands, you have simply changed teams within the same league of blood cultists..
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Which leads to Islam which says in Essence The bible is correct .


...which leads you back to the Bible, where you began.

....correct with a different understanding and interpretation and extrapolation.


so in effect you are a musloistian.

Muslims believe in the prophets that came before. Hence an understanding of the bible is a good thing. I am not a musloistian I am a Muslim. I believe in the God of Abraham. I do not believe christ was God.


so you're a torahuslim then?
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lol
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Name a good fruit of Islam? You can't.

Read and learn about mevlana & ibn'l arabi
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Do you believe in Jesus?

To me jesus was a good qumranian essene jew who tried to lead a people back to abrahamic tradition and preached love faith and hope. I believe he was a prophet and a good man.
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I just fail to see those qualities in fervent Muslims.

May you find truth.
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Do you believe in Jesus?

To me jesus was a good qumranian essene jew who tried to lead a people back to abrahamic tradition and preached love faith and hope. I believe he was a prophet and a good man.
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so in effect you seem to say that Mohammed is also a good man leading people back to abrahamic tradition, which is where you seem to hang your spiritual hat.
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Do you believe in Jesus?

To me jesus was a good qumranian essene jew who tried to lead a people back to abrahamic tradition and preached love faith and hope. I believe he was a prophet and a good man.


so in effect you seem to say that Mohammed is also a good man leading people back to abrahamic tradition, which is where you seem to hang your spiritual hat.
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Except im not a mohammedean I am a muslim. Mohammed (PBUH) was a prophet and a man. We do not worship our prophets ...Only God. I hang my hat on Islam yes.
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Do you believe in Jesus?

To me jesus was a good qumranian essene jew who tried to lead a people back to abrahamic tradition and preached love faith and hope. I believe he was a prophet and a good man.

I just fail to see those qualities in fervent Muslims.

May you find truth.
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look, edmund, you can't mix and match spitual truths.

pick one and stick to it or you'll trip all over yourself.

from now on you will be Mohammed Dantes to me.
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Do you believe in Jesus?

To me jesus was a good qumranian essene jew who tried to lead a people back to abrahamic tradition and preached love faith and hope. I believe he was a prophet and a good man.

I just fail to see those qualities in fervent Muslims.

May you find truth.


look, edmund, you can't mix and match spitual truths.

pick one and stick to it or you'll trip all over yourself.

from now on you will be Mohammed Dantes to me.
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as you wish. BTW I am not mix and match spiritual truths...I am explaining what I understand to be a singular absolute truth.
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All "gods" of abe are bloodthirsty tyrants who demand human and animal sacrifice in order to obtain "salvation"..

think this through...if you have any objective sense of reason or sanity left, it should soon nauseate you.

As it stands, you have simply changed teams within the same league of blood cultists..
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Makes you sick, yes?
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"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdullah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Muslim).Sahih Muslim, 41:6985, see also Sahih Muslim, 41:6981, Sahih Muslim, 41:6982, Sahih Muslim, 41:6983, Sahih Muslim, 41:6984, Sahih al-Bukhari, 4:56:791,(Sahih al-Bukhari, 4:52:177)


This hadith has been quoted countless times, and it has become a part of the charter of Hamas.....
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All "gods" of abe are bloodthirsty tyrants who demand human and animal sacrifice in order to obtain "salvation"..

think this through...if you have any objective sense of reason or sanity left, it should soon nauseate you.

As it stands, you have simply changed teams within the same league of blood cultists..


Makes you sick, yes?
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From Phidias to Fibonacci to this?? Really, "Ed"...you are capable of a truer spiritual tie in...
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All "gods" of abe are bloodthirsty tyrants who demand human and animal sacrifice in order to obtain "salvation"..

think this through...if you have any objective sense of reason or sanity left, it should soon nauseate you.

As it stands, you have simply changed teams within the same league of blood cultists..


Makes you sick, yes?


From Phidias to Fibonacci to this?? Really, "Ed"...you are capable of a truer spiritual tie in...
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I have found none.
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It is true that the Abrahamic god is the problem within all three of these religions.....He is an insane, cruel, even stupid god created by primitive men....One can find justification for every vile act the human mind can conceive within the old testament/torah/koran.....So sad that the teachings of Jesus cannot be separated from the murderous god.....
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It is obvious religions are distortioned by man in power to control people and very specially the women.

You can understand something is not from God but from Evil watching how it treat women.

And make no mistake, karma is real and you pay in your next incarnation always fully with a incarnation in women and suffering all you agree in this one.
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now to all I have been on GLP for sometime today...I have other things to attend to. I will check back later. God bless you all.
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All "gods" of abe are bloodthirsty tyrants who demand human and animal sacrifice in order to obtain "salvation"..

think this through...if you have any objective sense of reason or sanity left, it should soon nauseate you.

As it stands, you have simply changed teams within the same league of blood cultists..


Makes you sick, yes?


From Phidias to Fibonacci to this?? Really, "Ed"...you are capable of a truer spiritual tie in...

I have found none.
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Fair enough. But you are still dynamically seeking truth, yes?
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When the tribe of Bani Quraiza was ready to accept Sad's judgment, Allah's Apostle sent for Sad who was near to him. Sad came, riding a donkey and when he came near, Allah's Apostle said (to the Ansar), "Stand up for your leader." Then Sad came and sat beside Allah's Apostle who said to him. "These people are ready to accept your judgment." Sad said, "I give the judgment that their warriors should be killed and their children and women should be taken as prisoners." The Prophet then remarked, "O Sad! You have judged amongst them with (or similar to) the judgment of the King Allah." (Sahih Bukhari, 4:52:280)

In the corresponding place in Ibn Ishaq (689) Muhammad says to Sa'd: "You have given the judgment of Allah above the seven heavens." Clearly Muhammad is pleased. This is the outcome he wanted and expected. And this should come as no surprise. Muhammad wanted to do the same to the other two Jewish tribes, but was restrained and settled for exiling them.

Concerning the Bani Qaynuqa, we read:

'Abdullah b. Ubayy b. Salul [of the tribe of Khazraj in Medina] went to him when God had put them [the Qaynuqa] in his power and said, "O Muhammad, deal kindly with my clients" (now they were allies of Khazraj), but the apostle put him off. He repeated the words, and the apostle turned away from him, whereupon he thrust his hand into the collar of the apostle's robe; the apostle was so angry that his face became almost black. He said, "Confound you, let me go." He answered, "No, by God, I will not let you go until you deal kindly with my clients. Four hundred men without mail and three hundred mailed protected me from all mine enemies; would you cut them down in one morning? By God, I am a man who fears that circumstances may change." The apostle said, "You can have them." (Ibn Ishaq, 546)

Concerning the Bani Nadir, we have already quoted from the Qur'an above:

And had it not been that Allah had decreed banishment for them, He would certainly have punished them in this world. (59:3)

Ibn Ishaq (654) takes "punished them in this world" to mean "with the sword." In other words, the Bani Nadir, like the Bani Qaynuqa, got off easy, something not to be repeated with the Quraiza.

This time Muhammad obtained an endorsement of his murderous intent from someone known to be hostile toward the Jews, yet from a tribe formerly allied to them, the Aws, thus making impossible any further protest by members of that tribe.

Muhammad went to the market in Medina and dug trenches. Then the men of Quraiza were brought out in batches, and Muhammad and his followers cut off their heads. According to Ibn Ishaq (690), the number of dead ranged between 600 and 900. Afterwards Muhammad divided their property, their women, and their children among his followers.

A number of ahadith supply additional details. How did Muhammad distinguish the adult males, who would be executed, from the children, whose lives would be spared?

Narrated Atiyyah al-Qurazi: I was among the captives of Banu Qurayzah. They (the Companions) examined us, and those who had begun to grow hair (pubes) were killed, and those who had not were not killed. I was among those who had not grown hair. (Sunan Abu Dawud, 38:4390)

"Adult" males marked for death could be very young indeed.

The following hadith is one of the most widely quoted even today to justify anti-Semitic hatred:

Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews. (Sahih Muslim, 41:6985; see also 41:6981-84 and Sahih Bukhari, 4:52:176,177 and 4:56:791)
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Thus some time after his defeat of the Jewish tribes of Medina, shortly after the Treaty of Hudaybiyya, Muhammad marched against the rich Jewish settlement of Khaybar. In addition to his religious mission, Muhammad was motivated by desire for the Jews' wealth. He had one custodian of the treasury tortured and beheaded for not revealing where it was (Ibn Ishaq, 764). Muhammad besieged the forts of Khaybar, defeated the Jews, and took their property. He allowed the Jews to continue to cultivate the land, which the Muslims now owned, and demanded that half the produce be given to the Muslims - a severe application of the jizya tax.
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It is obvious religions are distortioned by man in power to control people and very specially the women.

You can understand something is not from God but from Evil watching how it treat women.

And make no mistake, karma is real and you pay in your next incarnation always fully with a incarnation in women and suffering all you agree in this one.
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That is enough to really make a man laugh. I can see it now. All those brave Islamic men who have raped pre adolescent girls will come back as girls to be raped by other Islamic men.

Of course, I do not believe in reincarnation, but "What goes around comes around." seems so totally appropriate for the Muslim world.
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Which leads to Islam which says in Essence The bible is correct .


...which leads you back to the Bible, where you began.

....correct with a different understanding and interpretation and extrapolation.


so in effect you are a musloistian.

Muslims believe in the prophets that came before. Hence an understanding of the bible is a good thing. I am not a musloistian I am a Muslim. I believe in the God of Abraham. I do not believe christ was God.
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jazakAllah my brother.

do mot be disheartened by what the others say.

if i can add, to other GLPers, you can never understand what islam is until you are clean. do yourself a favor and bath first and perform the ablution and then try to read the Quran. just like Umar AlKhattab.

may God bless us all.
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It is obvious religions are distortioned by man in power to control people and very specially the women.

You can understand something is not from God but from Evil watching how it treat women.

And make no mistake, karma is real and you pay in your next incarnation always fully with a incarnation in women and suffering all you agree in this one.


That is enough to really make a man laugh. I can see it now. All those brave Islamic men who have raped pre adolescent girls will come back as girls to be raped by other Islamic men.

Of course, I do not believe in reincarnation, but "What goes around comes around." seems so totally appropriate for the Muslim world.
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...and the "christian" world and the "jewish" world...etc,ect
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You're all idiots if you think engaging with a Muslim will get you actual truthful answers.

Islam allows their minions to lie about anything;
to object and or deny any actions of their fellow terrorist, so long as they hold their "true intentions" in their heart.

"I am not here to apostlytize."
Lie #1.

Carry on sheep.

it is responses such as this and ''snackbar'' above that I outlined in my OP that I would choose to ignore rather than try to speak with. I knew in writing this thread that there would be many detractors and that is fine.
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The Muslim is in fact required to lie in order to change the host society into an Islamic nation and merge the old culture into one in which there is no religion but Allah’s [Q. 3:19]4.

I rest my case.
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if i can add, to other GLPers, you can never understand what islam is until you are clean. do yourself a favor and bath first and perform the ablution and then try to read the Quran. just like Umar AlKhattab.

may God bless us all.
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Ah, yes, the ritual bloodbath, a foundation of the abegod cultist...

and you will not understand any meaningful or otherwise constructive truths until you cleanse yourself of the bloodthirsty beasts that you worship..
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jazakAllah
my brother.

do mot be disheartened by what the others say.

if i can add, to other GLPers, you can never understand what islam is until you are clean. do yourself a favor and bath first and perform the ablution and then try to read the Quran. just like Umar AlKhattab.

may God bless us all.
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jazakAllah Dantes


has a nice ring to it.
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to the two posters above me. ...Yes I was in formation I have an undegraduate degree from Texas A & M in philosophy I lived at hart hall on campus. I spent two years previous to that in formation. I was torn between a diocesan priest and being a religous trinitarian friar. Their main place for formation is in baltimore maryland. Father Albert Ansuweszki was the vocations director at the time. Their charism was the redemption of the captives. I stayed in their three story red rick monastery for some time. I also visited with the legionnaires of christ with father obannon and the redemptorists in san antonio texas as well as Snow mass abby (benedictine trappist monastery in colorado). Beyond these words there is no ''proof'' that I can satisfy you with.
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Edmond,

Jumping all around the country...hmmm.

"Their main place for formation is in Baltimore Maryland."


Who is "Their" and anyone can type in a name. I checked, there is nothing to be found on a Father Albert Ansuwezki.

You've made it all up. No one can stand habitual liars.
Go to Confession is my advise, be truthful from then on...
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as to the poster concerning the Eucharist. Transubstantiation (the turning of bread and wine into the body and blood of christ) following the rubrics laid out in the Ordo is a rendition of the melchizadekean way.

We have a difference of opinion ....you believe it to turn into jesus because of the Mass....I believe its bread and wine.
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The Holy Eucharist is true, believe, and why would you wish it otherwise? Since 33 A.D. at the Last Supper, Christ gave to us Himself, body, blood, soul and divinity. You have no spiritual life in you if you deny the Eucharist as Jesus states in John 6:54. Very soon, God in His mercy is going to try to convince the entire world this time.

Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say unto you: Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you.


Where is the divine in Islam? Give one witness to the unexplained, to the miraculous. I asked for the simple good to show God's presence in Islam previous, unless I missed it, no reply. Speak of the miraculous, you can't come up with it either.

Watch the video, miracles within miracles.


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Science can't explain. God allows miracles in hopes men will believe.

the same video...truly amazing.
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to the two posters above me. ...Yes I was in formation I have an undegraduate degree from Texas A & M in philosophy I lived at hart hall on campus. I spent two years previous to that in formation. I was torn between a diocesan priest and being a religous trinitarian friar. Their main place for formation is in baltimore maryland. Father Albert Ansuweszki was the vocations director at the time. Their charism was the redemption of the captives. I stayed in their three story red rick monastery for some time. I also visited with the legionnaires of christ with father obannon and the redemptorists in san antonio texas as well as Snow mass abby (benedictine trappist monastery in colorado). Beyond these words there is no ''proof'' that I can satisfy you with.


Edmond,

Jumping all around the country...hmmm.

"Their main place for formation is in Baltimore Maryland."


Who is "Their" and anyone can type in a name. I checked, there is nothing to be found on a Father Albert Ansuwezki.

You've made it all up. No one can stand habitual liars.
Go to Confession is my advise, be truthful from then on...
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Im a liar huh? ok here:
since you searched and found nothing ...
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