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Edmond Dantes
(OP) User ID: 1037627 Canada 08/10/2010 12:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP, Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1060632You gave up the Holy Eucharist to become a Muslim, Why? I've never heard or read of any good fruit coming from Islam. Islam is not attacked as much as the RCC at GLP, proof, the Roman Catholic Church is the true faith. Give us one testimony of the mystical involving Islam? transubstantiation is not what you think it is...''I ordain you to the presbyterate ...A holy nation a people set apart.....according to the order of MELCHIZADEK of old.... melchizadek OT guy who offered bread and wine as an acceptable sacrifice to God. not the body and blood of Christ. The only book to satisfy David Hume miracles would have been the miracle at lanciano ....otherwise not once in 2000 years of history. I refute your interpretation of the eucharist. as to never hearing anything good out of Islam...blowing trumpets and wailing and throwing ashes is not good according to all three religions...besides do you really think that the media would say anything nice? as to good fruits ....I guess im a ''bad person'' in your eyes although I believe I have done much good on this Earth. as to miracles....too many to count. Not all miracles are parting the red sea...there are accounts of angels drilling holes in boats in the Quran....try reading it. 1:1.618 ratio |
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Edmond Dantes
(OP) User ID: 1037627 Canada 08/10/2010 12:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I spent 6 years studying in college to become a Roman Catholic priest....History Archeaology Philosophy etc...I am a convert to Islam. Quoting: Benjamin 1061831When you get to hell, can you send us a eyewitness account of Mohamed getting chopped in half every time he makes it around the circle? Judge not lest ye be judged. 1:1.618 ratio |
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Edmond Dantes
(OP) User ID: 1032741 Canada 08/10/2010 12:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Opie, Quoting: Anonymous Coward 657383Have you considered Eastern or Indigenous spiritual traditions at all? It would appear the mystical traditions of all 3 abrahamic faiths are more or less compatible. Do you agree? How far along were you in seminary? I considered Eastern traditions (buddhism zoronastrism) and indigenous spiritual traditions...(naturalism animalism etc)...utimately these ideaologys left the void that is God...unaccountable . For God to have all of the necessary qualities that he must the only religions I was left with were the abrahamic. zoronastrism for example delves into light and dark polarities if you will...but to me at least... lacks the qualities of divinity. I was 6 years in to seminary....postulancy novitiate (which I decided against in lieu of diocesan) pretheologate...about to go to theologate . Another year or so and I would be a deacon. 1:1.618 ratio |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 657383 Canada 08/10/2010 12:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Opie, Quoting: Edmond DantesHave you considered Eastern or Indigenous spiritual traditions at all? It would appear the mystical traditions of all 3 abrahamic faiths are more or less compatible. Do you agree? How far along were you in seminary? I considered Eastern traditions (buddhism zoronastrism) and indigenous spiritual traditions...(naturalism animalism etc)...utimately these ideaologys left the void that is God...unaccountable . For God to have all of the necessary qualities that he must the only religions I was left with were the abrahamic. zoronastrism for example delves into light and dark polarities if you will...but to me at least... lacks the qualities of divinity. I was 6 years in to seminary....postulancy novitiate (which I decided against in lieu of diocesan) pretheologate...about to go to theologate . Another year or so and I would be a deacon. So something like "the Great Spirit" or "Tao" is not akin to the concept of God? Or is there merely an absence of theology in these traditions which makes them unsuitable from your perspective? |
Edmond Dantes
(OP) User ID: 1037755 Canada 08/10/2010 12:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Even the Palestinians were Catholics. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 595407Look it up in the Wikipedia, although they state some references or something is needed, but know that Europe and that Near East have made religion into a mess in the Past. Look at the Churches they have pictures of like the Hague Sophia, and how long those Churches been existing. quamranians (yeshuas people) lived ascetic lives that were mirrored in Islam today. ritual cleansing to pray....fasting....etc. The first bishop of jerusalem (James the brother of jesus) celebrated the day of atonement. (jewish holiday for the repudiation of sin).....my point is that christianity grew up if you will in turkey and israel and rome .....for 1500 years there was no '' mass bible'' but rather scriptoriums in benedictine monastery's in which it was hand written. this is why the RCC does not believe in ''Sola scriptora'' or ''only the bible'' they believe in the history of the church...tradition. of course palestinians were catholics...Some catholics reside in Israel currently. 1:1.618 ratio |
Ohwow!
User ID: 870092 United States 08/10/2010 12:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is not much to Islam essentially five ''pillars'' ...and the joining to Abraham's belief... 1. Zakat...or almsgiving essentially a small percentage of what you have goes to the poor... 2. Haj....a journey to Mecca once in your life IF YOU can afford to. 3. Prayer ...5 times a day 4. Honoring the month of Ramadan...ie fasting from sunrise to sunset and reading the Quran 5.Taking the Shahadah... ''there is no God but Allah and Mohammed is his prophet''... saying the foregoing sentence and believing it to be true. ....muslim means one who submits himself to God. ie saying ''Ok your in charge your God you win ''uncle' etc...I will follow your rules because they are whats best. Quoting OP Op you have again joined a works religion. Study the Reformed faith( before it was invaded to destroy it) 1. No alms giving - works - will save you or give you points. The Lord loves a cheerful giver. Give as the need arises, but don't let your left hand know what your right hand is doing - don't make a show ( for works points) 2. There are no "holy Places" on this earth. No pilgrimages required - the heavenly Jerusalem is in heaven to eventually come down to earth - see Revelations 3. Pray without ceasing - it is a lifestyle of holy spirit living, with sudden joy filling times of peace and times of trial - knowing that all is in God's plan 4. No holy days. They have been placed in the church to form a union of faiths between Catholicism and reformed religions (which have been hijacked) All days are holy, all has been fulfilled in Christ. Now awaiting the consummation of time. 5. You can swear all the mantras and faith based confessions you desire in the reformed faith, but a christian it won't prove you to be. The fruit of your walk in this short time on earth will determine your heart and your true confession will not be just your words, instead, living your confession will confirm your words |
Edmond Dantes
(OP) User ID: 1032246 Canada 08/10/2010 12:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Opie, Quoting: Anonymous Coward 657383Have you considered Eastern or Indigenous spiritual traditions at all? It would appear the mystical traditions of all 3 abrahamic faiths are more or less compatible. Do you agree? How far along were you in seminary? I considered Eastern traditions (buddhism zoronastrism) and indigenous spiritual traditions...(naturalism animalism etc)...utimately these ideaologys left the void that is God...unaccountable . For God to have all of the necessary qualities that he must the only religions I was left with were the abrahamic. zoronastrism for example delves into light and dark polarities if you will...but to me at least... lacks the qualities of divinity. I was 6 years in to seminary....postulancy novitiate (which I decided against in lieu of diocesan) pretheologate...about to go to theologate . Another year or so and I would be a deacon. So something like "the Great Spirit" or "Tao" is not akin to the concept of God? Or is there merely an absence of theology in these traditions which makes them unsuitable from your perspective? to me tao does not reflect the necessary qualities of God. In as much that it lacks the appropriate theology/history in these traditions to interpret it as God whereas in abrahamic the history may have been adulterated but it is intrinsicly correct. 1:1.618 ratio |
Edmond Dantes
(OP) User ID: 1032246 Canada 08/10/2010 12:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is not much to Islam essentially five ''pillars'' ...and the joining to Abraham's belief... Quoting: Ohwow!1. Zakat...or almsgiving essentially a small percentage of what you have goes to the poor... 2. Haj....a journey to Mecca once in your life IF YOU can afford to. 3. Prayer ...5 times a day 4. Honoring the month of Ramadan...ie fasting from sunrise to sunset and reading the Quran 5.Taking the Shahadah... ''there is no God but Allah and Mohammed is his prophet''... saying the foregoing sentence and believing it to be true. ....muslim means one who submits himself to God. ie saying ''Ok your in charge your God you win ''uncle' etc...I will follow your rules because they are whats best. Quoting OP Op you have again joined a works religion. Study the Reformed faith( before it was invaded to destroy it) 1. No alms giving - works - will save you or give you points. The Lord loves a cheerful giver. Give as the need arises, but don't let your left hand know what your right hand is doing - don't make a show ( for works points) 2. There are no "holy Places" on this earth. No pilgrimages required - the heavenly Jerusalem is in heaven to eventually come down to earth - see Revelations 3. Pray without ceasing - it is a lifestyle of holy spirit living, with sudden joy filling times of peace and times of trial - knowing that all is in God's plan 4. No holy days. They have been placed in the church to form a union of faiths between Catholicism and reformed religions (which have been hijacked) All days are holy, all has been fulfilled in Christ. Now awaiting the consummation of time. 5. You can swear all the mantras and faith based confessions you desire in the reformed faith, but a christian it won't prove you to be. The fruit of your walk in this short time on earth will determine your heart and your true confession will not be just your words, instead, living your confession will confirm your words ora et labora...faith without works is dead. 1:1.618 ratio |
Benjamin User ID: 1061831 United States 08/10/2010 12:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I spent 6 years studying in college to become a Roman Catholic priest....History Archeaology Philosophy etc...I am a convert to Islam. Quoting: Edmond DantesWhen you get to hell, can you send us a eyewitness account of Mohamed getting chopped in half every time he makes it around the circle? Judge not lest ye be judged. You're confused. Christianity forbids the use of Christian terms if you're not a christian. From what I understand you're the second death. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1055167 Finland 08/10/2010 01:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Op, do you consider God of christianity and judaism same as allah? If yes, then I recommend you would read this site. It will open your eyes what type of bloodshed there is in the old testament... [link to luciferianliberationfront.org] All abrahamic religions pray on fears and insecurity....if you dont do this you get punished... |
Edmond Dantes
(OP) User ID: 1032730 Canada 08/10/2010 01:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I spent 6 years studying in college to become a Roman Catholic priest....History Archeaology Philosophy etc...I am a convert to Islam. Quoting: Benjamin 1061831When you get to hell, can you send us a eyewitness account of Mohamed getting chopped in half every time he makes it around the circle? Judge not lest ye be judged. You're confused. Christianity forbids the use of Christian terms if you're not a christian. From what I understand you're the second death. by this rational christians cannot use judaic thought because they are not jews....and jews cannot use babylonian thought because they are not babylonian....Islam believes in the Old testament and the new testament. We do not agree with its interpretation. 100's of times jesus says 'the kingdom is coming'. There is an entire sura (chapter) on Jesus in the Quran. As far as christianity forbiding me to use any of its colloquialisms ...well I just did? 1:1.618 ratio |
Edmond Dantes
(OP) User ID: 1037688 Canada 08/10/2010 01:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Op, do you consider God of christianity and judaism same as allah? If yes, then I recommend you would read this site. It will open your eyes what type of bloodshed there is in the old testament... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1055167[link to luciferianliberationfront.org] All abrahamic religions pray on fears and insecurity....if you dont do this you get punished... which God? El shaddahi , Inconconnu, Adonai, Elohim, Yaweh,...??? God in the NT Abba, Elohim, etc... Allah is to the root of EL Another name for the SAME God. I believe in the God of the covenant with Abraham. 1:1.618 ratio |
Edmond Dantes
(OP) User ID: 1037627 Canada 08/10/2010 01:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As far as I am concerned you have begun as an idiot and ended as one! Quoting: Benjamin 1061831HEH. Ever searching for the knowledge and growing more stupider thereby. Rootless windswept tree. Mustard Seed upon dry rock. perhaps closed mindedness is what is dry rock. 1:1.618 ratio |
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User ID: 1077439 United States 08/23/2010 06:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | DEAR EDMOND, FEAR OF MAN WILL PROVE TO BE A SNARE….I APPLAUD YOUR COURAGE AND SHARING AND PRAY IT WILL NOT DISCOURAGE YOUR LOVE OF YOUR FELLOW MAN. IT WAS ONCE SAID, THE ONLY THING TO FEAR IS FEAR ITSELF. MUCH FEAR HAS YET TO BE CLEARED AND SO WE MUST STEP IN TO FORGIVENESS ALL OF US ARE ON AN EVOLUTIONARY PATH TOWARD THE DIVINE. THOSE WHOM SPEAK IN WORDS OF LOVE AND PEACE COME IN ALL SHAPES AND SIZES FROM ALL PLACES AND RELIGIONS. IT IS IN LOVE THAT WE FIND GOD, FOR GOD IS LOVE. NO MATTER THE RELIGION, A MAN WHOM HAS FOUND GOD SPEAKS THE LANGUAGE OF GOD. GANDHI, ONE OF MY FAVORITE EXAMPLES OF THIS. FORGIVE THEM FOR THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY DO. IF ONLY WE WOULD ALL STOP TRESPASSING ON EACH OTHERS WILL, PHYSICALLY, MENTALLY AND SPIRITUALLY, I BELIEVE ALL WOULD BE WELL. A MAN ON HIS OWN TRUE PATH FEARS NOT THE WORDS OF HIS FELLOW MAN……CONGRATULATIONS! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1077505 Australia 08/23/2010 07:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | DEAR EDMOND, Quoting: AnthropicFEAR OF MAN WILL PROVE TO BE A SNARE….I APPLAUD YOUR COURAGE AND SHARING AND PRAY IT WILL NOT DISCOURAGE YOUR LOVE OF YOUR FELLOW MAN. IT WAS ONCE SAID, THE ONLY THING TO FEAR IS FEAR ITSELF. MUCH FEAR HAS YET TO BE CLEARED AND SO WE MUST STEP IN TO FORGIVENESS ALL OF US ARE ON AN EVOLUTIONARY PATH TOWARD THE DIVINE. THOSE WHOM SPEAK IN WORDS OF LOVE AND PEACE COME IN ALL SHAPES AND SIZES FROM ALL PLACES AND RELIGIONS. IT IS IN LOVE THAT WE FIND GOD, FOR GOD IS LOVE. NO MATTER THE RELIGION, A MAN WHOM HAS FOUND GOD SPEAKS THE LANGUAGE OF GOD. GANDHI, ONE OF MY FAVORITE EXAMPLES OF THIS. FORGIVE THEM FOR THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY DO. IF ONLY WE WOULD ALL STOP TRESPASSING ON EACH OTHERS WILL, PHYSICALLY, MENTALLY AND SPIRITUALLY, I BELIEVE ALL WOULD BE WELL. A MAN ON HIS OWN TRUE PATH FEARS NOT THE WORDS OF HIS FELLOW MAN……CONGRATULATIONS! BRAVO, my friend. Well said. |
Edmond Dantes
(OP) User ID: 1032643 Canada 09/05/2010 08:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | DEAR EDMOND, Quoting: AnthropicFEAR OF MAN WILL PROVE TO BE A SNARE….I APPLAUD YOUR COURAGE AND SHARING AND PRAY IT WILL NOT DISCOURAGE YOUR LOVE OF YOUR FELLOW MAN. IT WAS ONCE SAID, THE ONLY THING TO FEAR IS FEAR ITSELF. MUCH FEAR HAS YET TO BE CLEARED AND SO WE MUST STEP IN TO FORGIVENESS ALL OF US ARE ON AN EVOLUTIONARY PATH TOWARD THE DIVINE. THOSE WHOM SPEAK IN WORDS OF LOVE AND PEACE COME IN ALL SHAPES AND SIZES FROM ALL PLACES AND RELIGIONS. IT IS IN LOVE THAT WE FIND GOD, FOR GOD IS LOVE. NO MATTER THE RELIGION, A MAN WHOM HAS FOUND GOD SPEAKS THE LANGUAGE OF GOD. GANDHI, ONE OF MY FAVORITE EXAMPLES OF THIS. FORGIVE THEM FOR THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY DO. IF ONLY WE WOULD ALL STOP TRESPASSING ON EACH OTHERS WILL, PHYSICALLY, MENTALLY AND SPIRITUALLY, I BELIEVE ALL WOULD BE WELL. A MAN ON HIS OWN TRUE PATH FEARS NOT THE WORDS OF HIS FELLOW MAN……CONGRATULATIONS! I love my fellow man and woman very much. I appreciate your kindness in this thread.... thankyou. 1:1.618 ratio |
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Atheist
User ID: 1082444 United Kingdom 09/06/2010 04:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Islamic architecture is beautiful, a resplendant symphony of inspiration. math, and geometry. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1061363Even i can agree with that. I think a lot of the geometry in its design stems from the use of psychadelic drugs creating phosphenes, maybe this was interpreted by ancient islamic scholars to be the work of god, and they designed worship buildings with patterns that met these holy visions. You see similar things in native indian cultures, ancient china, south american etc. Last Edited by Atheist on 09/06/2010 05:00 AM Atheist |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1073929 United States 09/06/2010 05:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I spent 6 years studying in college to become a Roman Catholic priest....History Archeaology Philosophy etc...I am a convert to Islam. Quoting: Edmond DantesI make no apology. I am not here to apostlytize. I am going to show how I came to this ...and allow others to see some of my thoughts in this regard as requested by others here on GLP. ++++I reserve the right to ignore people on this thread due to the personal nature of it.+++++ I am posting my thoughts for GLP to share and discuss not for me to Lead this thread. first the basics.... Why believe in a god in the first place? cosmological teleological ontological proofs notwithstanding....Mathematics in Rene descartes 7 days meditations takes geometry from ''origin'' (0,0,0) in an effort to deduce from God a world.....Geometry works today. aether Physics quantum mechanics too many others to list... Well whats God like then if he exists? Omnibenevolent Omniscient Omnipotent etc...these are Necessary Qualities to ascribe to a God by DEFINITION.....ie it is a tautology to define God as anything else. Well then I started to discern the various religions based upon my understandings of the above.... example: Norse have Thor and Odin amongst other Gods....the essence being a split of power = not Omnipotent....thus fail. worship of the Sun sun = urning plasma etc...=not Omniscient= fail and proceeded with more and more mythos and religions until to my satisfaction had the three Abrahamic ones. I Judaism II Christianity III Islam First to christianity.... For 1500 years there was no differentiation (only after Martin Luther wrote his theses) in OFFICIAL church doctorine. After the council of Nicea (and consequently the edict of milan that made christianity the official religion of rome) was there a consensus in belief....these occured around the year 300 During the deliberations the apocrypha were denoted and summarily exiled from the bible(yes parts of the bible were debated and removed). this lead to differing interpretations of theology which persist to today. ....ie 2nd maccabbees...purgatory issue.''holy thought to pray for the dead''...etc. in essence a disagreement over what should be in the bible and thus belief Judaism follows the Torah Which is itself written in various form EJP (elohist yawhist priestly) versions...during the abylonian captivity. Essentially the jews copied Sumerian stories and attributed the stories to ''judaic'' essences.. example Noahs flood account= Epic story of Gilgamesh which is much older and was in the area written on the ziggurat that the jews were captured in.... Moses=Sargon1st parallels possibly etc. even the story of david slaying goliath goliath= Elhanan, the son of Jaareoregim slew goliath...David served the phillistines against the israelites. the point is the stories have been manipulated to serve theological ends.... Which leads to Islam which says in Essence The bible is correct except for ''XYZ'' and ''xyz'' interpretations are wrong....it actually went down like this.... a long intro I know ...again I make no apology. I am merely sharing why I am muslim. Judging from the fact that thousands of peoeople have read my threads I guess there is at least one ''good muslim''....I wish GLP would end its tirade of hate against Islam. I wish you all well.God bless us all. Ed Dante, You are full of it (sorry everyone for the vulgar language). I don't believe you attended Catholic Seminary for one day, let alone 6 years. You just gave a standard paragraph describing as Protestants share, Christian history from 33 A.D. until 1517 at the time of Luther's revolt. It wasn't even a long paragraph. Silly Protestants, they actually think anyone is going to believe their account of the early Church. How would they know? One thing, very important. There is no good in Islam, it's from Satan. There are a few innocent people, woman, who are subjected in the worst way to it's evil. Name a good fruit of Islam? You can't. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1073929 United States 09/06/2010 05:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I spent 6 years studying in college to become a Roman Catholic priest....History Archeaology Philosophy etc...I am a convert to Islam. Quoting: Edmond DantesI make no apology. I am not here to apostlytize. I am going to show how I came to this ...and allow others to see some of my thoughts in this regard as requested by others here on GLP. ++++I reserve the right to ignore people on this thread due to the personal nature of it.+++++ I am posting my thoughts for GLP to share and discuss not for me to Lead this thread. first the basics.... Why believe in a god in the first place? cosmological teleological ontological proofs notwithstanding....Mathematics in Rene descartes 7 days meditations takes geometry from ''origin'' (0,0,0) in an effort to deduce from God a world.....Geometry works today. aether Physics quantum mechanics too many others to list... Well whats God like then if he exists? Omnibenevolent Omniscient Omnipotent etc...these are Necessary Qualities to ascribe to a God by DEFINITION.....ie it is a tautology to define God as anything else. Well then I started to discern the various religions based upon my understandings of the above.... example: Norse have Thor and Odin amongst other Gods....the essence being a split of power = not Omnipotent....thus fail. worship of the Sun sun = urning plasma etc...=not Omniscient= fail and proceeded with more and more mythos and religions until to my satisfaction had the three Abrahamic ones. I Judaism II Christianity III Islam.... I deleted some of the OP...I wanted to share, Ed doesn't want to answer any questions because he began a thread that was too personal. What a wiener excuse! He wants to preach and not reply. Jesus said This is My body, not This is a symbol of My body. Give us proof you were...should be still...Roman Catholic. I don't think you were, no one would give up the true faith to become Muslim. |
Edmond Dantes
(OP) User ID: 1032690 Canada 09/06/2010 07:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | to the two posters above me. ...Yes I was in formation I have an undegraduate degree from Texas A & M in philosophy I lived at hart hall on campus. I spent two years previous to that in formation. I was torn between a diocesan priest and being a religous trinitarian friar. Their main place for formation is in baltimore maryland. Father Albert Ansuweszki was the vocations director at the time. Their charism was the redemption of the captives. I stayed in their three story red rick monastery for some time. I also visited with the legionnaires of christ with father obannon and the redemptorists in san antonio texas as well as Snow mass abby (benedictine trappist monastery in colorado). Beyond these words there is no ''proof'' that I can satisfy you with. 1:1.618 ratio |
Edmond Dantes
(OP) User ID: 1032643 Canada 09/06/2010 07:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | as to the poster concerning the Eucharist. Transubstantiation (the turning of bread and wine into the body and blood of christ) following the rubrics laid out in the Ordo is a rendition of the melchizadekean way. We have a difference of opinion ....you believe it to turn into jesus because of the Mass....I believe its bread and wine. 1:1.618 ratio |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 837702 United States 09/06/2010 07:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You're all idiots if you think engaging with a Muslim will get you actual truthful answers. Islam allows their minions to lie about anything; to object and or deny any actions of their fellow terrorist, so long as they hold their "true intentions" in their heart. "I am not here to apostlytize." Lie #1. Carry on sheep. |