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Roman Catholic Seminarian turned Muslim...My experiences.

 
Edmond Dantes
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Roman Catholic Seminarian turned Muslim...My experiences.
I spent 6 years studying in college to become a Roman Catholic priest....History Archeaology Philosophy etc...I am a convert to Islam.

I make no apology. I am not here to apostlytize.

I am going to show how I came to this ...and allow others to see some of my thoughts in this regard as requested by others here on GLP.

++++I reserve the right to ignore people on this thread due to the personal nature of it.+++++

I am posting my thoughts for GLP to share and discuss not for me to Lead this thread.

first the basics....

Why believe in a god in the first place?
cosmological teleological ontological proofs notwithstanding....Mathematics in Rene descartes 7 days meditations takes geometry from ''origin'' (0,0,0) in an effort to deduce from God a world.....Geometry works today. aether Physics quantum mechanics too many others to list...

Well whats God like then if he exists?
Omnibenevolent Omniscient Omnipotent etc...these are Necessary Qualities to ascribe to a God by DEFINITION.....ie it is a tautology to define God as anything else.

Well then I started to discern the various religions based upon my understandings of the above....
example:
Norse have Thor and Odin amongst other Gods....the essence being a split of power = not Omnipotent....thus fail.

worship of the Sun
sun = urning plasma etc...=not Omniscient= fail

and proceeded with more and more mythos and religions until to my satisfaction had the three Abrahamic ones.

I Judaism
II Christianity
III Islam

First to christianity....
For 1500 years there was no differentiation (only after Martin Luther wrote his theses) in OFFICIAL church doctorine.

After the council of Nicea (and consequently the edict of milan that made christianity the official religion of rome) was there a consensus in belief....these occured around the year 300

During the deliberations the apocrypha were denoted and summarily exiled from the bible(yes parts of the bible were debated and removed).

this lead to differing interpretations of theology which persist to today. ....ie 2nd maccabbees...purgatory issue.''holy thought to pray for the dead''...etc.

in essence a disagreement over what should be in the bible and thus belief

Judaism follows the Torah
Which is itself written in various form EJP (elohist yawhist priestly) versions...during the abylonian captivity.
Essentially the jews copied Sumerian stories and attributed the stories to ''judaic'' essences..

example
Noahs flood account= Epic story of Gilgamesh which is much older and was in the area written on the ziggurat that the jews were captured in....
Moses=Sargon1st parallels possibly etc.
even the story of david slaying goliath goliath= Elhanan, the son of Jaareoregim slew goliath...David served the phillistines against the israelites.
the point is the stories have been manipulated to serve theological ends....

Which leads to Islam which says in Essence The bible is correct except for ''XYZ'' and ''xyz'' interpretations are wrong....it actually went down like this....

a long intro I know ...again I make no apology. I am merely sharing why I am muslim. Judging from the fact that thousands of peoeople have read my threads I guess there is at least one ''good muslim''....I wish GLP would end its tirade of hate against Islam. I wish you all well.God bless us all.
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I'm sorry, but that made no sense. You are taking Islam's word that they got it right and everybody else was wrong? Or they are correcting a flawed record? Or what?
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I'm sorry, but that made no sense. You are taking Islam's word that they got it right and everybody else was wrong? Or they are correcting a flawed record? Or what?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1057571

Im sorry I made no sense I packed alot into the opening but yes your summation of the Quran correcting a flawed record is accurate to me.
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Not really sure WHY you made this post Edmond...

But I've just GOT to say, you basically went from one faction of pagan cathlolicism to another...

And if it bothers you that I've replied with the above, and knowing the "nature" of GLP, I say again...WHY did you make this post...
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Not really sure WHY you made this post Edmond...

But I've just GOT to say, you basically went from one faction of pagan cathlolicism to another...

And if it bothers you that I've replied with the above, and knowing the "nature" of GLP, I say again...WHY did you make this post...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1053526

Why? .....because if this site hates Islam so much then I must assume it hates me. ...I spent a long time studying religion and will be ridiculed and ostracized Im sure because of this post....I must be me however. ...In my last thread on Aether somebody was shocked at my being ''muslim''...I decided to explain. Now that its posted Im sure I will be attacked nonceaseingly until I leave...but I decided to explain first why I believe what I do.
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What I like about Islam, is they see creation itself as the sign from god, not relying on miracles and the such.
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I'm sorry, but that made no sense. You are taking Islam's word that they got it right and everybody else was wrong? Or they are correcting a flawed record? Or what?

Im sorry I made no sense I packed alot into the opening but yes your summation of the Quran correcting a flawed record is accurate to me.
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But you weren't there, so you don't know and your taking someone's word for it?
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You are a Jesui8t kontrolling Islam..?
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I would think that you would look into the Eastern Orthodox Catholic Church, or aren't the rest of the Apostles existing, although they have had many setbacks over the years.

Look it up in Wikipedia.

And tell me why most Roman Catholics think they are the only ones? Never mind. It is all in the Mind!
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5a

...actually, going from roman catholic to islam is not that far of a jump i.e; both believe in mary and a type of jesus called isa...after Christ comes for his bride (the church) see rapture...there will be a great unifying of those religions left behind...so your decision to go islam is no big suprise...


... banana2
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i was prepared for this....this is the op i had a friend standing by.....this is the 4th time this week i will be "autobanned" ....you win glp....i give up. goodbye. thankyou to the mod for banning me again.
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OP,

You gave up the Holy Eucharist to become a Muslim, Why?
I've never heard or read of any good fruit coming from
Islam.

Islam is not attacked as much as the RCC at GLP, proof,
the Roman Catholic Church is the true faith.

Give us one testimony of the mystical involving Islam?
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i was prepared for this....this is the op i had a friend standing by.....this is the 4th time this week i will be "autobanned" ....you win glp....i give up. goodbye. thankyou to the mod for banning me again.
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Why would you get banned for stating your faith?
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op got drafted by the jesuits
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[link to www.2520yearprophecy.com]

go down to Islam in Prophecy, pretty interesting. PP presentation.
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from reading this thread, i've gathered you've been banned from GLP.

inspiring story. thanks for sharing.
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Re: Roman Catholic Seminarian turned Muslim...My experiences.
Hey edmond good to hear from you..

regard Islam, what ever turns your handle. It is one of the religions I have not studied much, so cannot comment on its validity as a religion.

I tend to that the good where I find it and leave the rest. I look for agreement points between religion, science and philosophy and where there come together, I gather my truth.

You seem like a guy who has his head screwed on right so there must be something to Islam. Can you descibe the basic beliefs. Nothing to indepth. I would find it enlightening and perhaps other would also. Thanks and good luck. Rken

PS I don't hate islam or christianity just don't like what some of the people who profess to be them, do. but that is true of everything. lol
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Islamic architecture is beautiful, a resplendant symphony of inspiration. math, and geometry.
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Hi edmond

Here is a little something I thought if anyone at GLP would enjoy it would be you. Check it out and let me know what you think.

[link to knowledgefiles.com]

You can download it for free. just scoll down to just past the introduction. Enjoy. Rken
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Islamic architecture is beautiful, a resplendant symphony of inspiration. math, and geometry.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1061363


It's related to the transmission sent by the Koran. The patchwork is literally triggered in from of your eyes.
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I will not shatter your world but have you ever thought about combining the 3 monotheistic religions , to live after their ethical guidelines and not the religion?

1 God means they all may have a piece of the puzzle,
Dont follow a religion follow the words of god which are hidden and scattered on all 3 books.

Not the religion is gods word everything they have in common ethnically thats what you are searching for.

God will love no matter what you believe.
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Then get the hell out of the West and go move to some gloroius muslim country, oh, they dont exist.
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First of all allow me to apologize. The day I posted this thread I was banned. That was me in the AC response letting everyone know I had been banned...I was going to continue to reply from that friends phone but figured It too would be banned....The next day Trinity (GLP owner) made a ''ban amnesty thread'' apparently t trying to help people lift 'autobans'....I wrote trinity explaining what had happened and trinity offered to help....long story short I have a ''changing IP'
address that from day to day hour to hour min to min changes...and some of the IP's that I use seem to be banned. This 'changing IP'' is not by choice. Long explanation short at times I will be ale to respond and other times I will not until trinity and I can figure out whats going on. I wanted to let you all know I am monitoring this thread and do appreciate everyones input.

thankyou.

I will respond as I can.
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You are a Jesui8t kontrolling Islam..?
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lol no ...I was drawn to multiple charism's benedictine trappist at snow mass abby...trinitarians with Fr. Albert Ansuwezki in maryland ...as well as fransiscan in San antonio...ultimately diocesan for Houston galveston Fr. Steve Tiemann ...finished my philosophy undergrad degree and was going to the theologate but had too many ''issues'' with dogmatic theology....ultimately decided Catholicism was wrong and left christianity in general...converted to Islam.
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I spent 6 years studying in college to become a Roman Catholic priest....History Archeaology Philosophy etc...I am a convert to Islam.


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When you get to hell, can you send us a eyewitness account
of Mohamed getting chopped in half every time he makes it
around the circle?
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OP,

You gave up the Holy Eucharist to become a Muslim, Why?
I've never heard or read of any good fruit coming from
Islam.

Islam is not attacked as much as the RCC at GLP, proof,
the Roman Catholic Church is the true faith.

Give us one testimony of the mystical involving Islam?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1060632


Perhaps by 'Islam', OP means Crowleyite Satanism.

Would be a better move on his part.

'Let the tree be good or evil, but you in between bitches gonna get assraped' - Jesus
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So you now condone Sharia Law and the stoning of young girls and ten year olds being forced to marry old men, honor killings and all that is Islam?

This makes the world a better place? I don't see how it does.
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Hey edmond good to hear from you..

regard Islam, what ever turns your handle. It is one of the religions I have not studied much, so cannot comment on its validity as a religion.

I tend to that the good where I find it and leave the rest. I look for agreement points between religion, science and philosophy and where there come together, I gather my truth.

You seem like a guy who has his head screwed on right so there must be something to Islam. Can you descibe the basic beliefs. Nothing to indepth. I would find it enlightening and perhaps other would also. Thanks and good luck. Rken

PS I don't hate islam or christianity just don't like what some of the people who profess to be them, do. but that is true of everything. lol
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1057405

There is not much to Islam essentially five ''pillars'' ...and the joining to Abraham's belief...

1. Zakat...or almsgiving essentially a small percentage of what you have goes to the poor...
2. Haj....a journey to Mecca once in your life IF YOU can afford to.
3. Prayer ...5 times a day
4. Honoring the month of Ramadan...ie fasting from sunrise to sunset and reading the Quran
5.Taking the Shahadah... ''there is no God but Allah and Mohammed is his prophet''... saying the foregoing sentence and believing it to be true.

....muslim means one who submits himself to God. ie saying ''Ok your in charge your God you win ''uncle' etc...I will follow your rules because they are whats best.

I hope this helps.
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Islamic architecture is beautiful, a resplendant symphony of inspiration. math, and geometry.
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this is a true statement!! Looking to the natural people can find beauty and order like PHI...showing a divine intelligence. Islamic architecture is similar in its geometry many times.
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So you now condone Sharia Law and the stoning of young girls and ten year olds being forced to marry old men, honor killings and all that is Islam?

This makes the world a better place? I don't see how it does.
 Quoting: Bluebird

I do not condone INTERRPRETATION of the Quran that leads to these actions.

The unabomber was what religion ? christian
The marrying of young women? Utah ring a bell? christian root
honor killings? crusades?

It is INTERRPRETATION that leads to evil action....not the religion itself. hence the split in christian as well as islamic belief sets...protestant catholic ....sunni shiite....yes you have splinter groups who insist personal philosophy and politics should intermix and justify their actions by such ...it does not make it true.
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And you also know that the Eastern Orthodox Church was also part of the original Catholics. Because each was run by its own Bishop (or Pratricarch) so that is the way the original Church was set up. Now the Pope is really just another Bishop as in the Bishop of Rome, and there are still pockets of others (after the Mongols, Huns, Ottoman Empire, Fourth Crusade which ransacked Constaninople who was Catholic at the time - it was suppose to be Jerusleum, and was Condemned, because Europe is crap for brains, along with the others like the Muslims and the history can be read about.

All those were under their own Bishops, and still to this day, they do not agree with the Roman Catholics although some like the Eastern Orthodox Catholic Church give the Pope exclusive like that.

Ever think that agression, and anti-socialness of Roman Catholics who might Act more like the Roman Empire is correct?

No it is not. And if you look real close, neither do the other Churches think that Rome has any more Rights or Freedom than being equal with the other Bishops and all the Churches, some of which changed too much.

No, if God is going to punish any religion, it is the Muslims, Roman Catholics, and Protestants, who claim all their claims, although it is mainly about the people who go there. There is obligation, do what they say, and it is not exactly how Jesus set up a Church on this Planet.

When it comes down to it, it is by force, and not by the Grace of God, because in religion there is punishment like reward. I like to know if anyone thought that the Devil entered into it a long, long, long, time ago and people can not think, so they condemn, when it is theirselves that may have to be challenged by God.

Faith is not Evil disgused as a religion.





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