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Carbon dioxide is necessary for green living plants to grow and produce oxygen.
Carbon dioxide is necessary for green living plants to grow and produce oxygen. The more CO2 the more green living plants, its really that simple! ( I know, I'm a farmer)
I'm amazed at all the armchair environmentalists who have bought into this carbon tax thing. It's simply unf*&^%ng believable! The carbon tax is a red herring that tptb have come up with to:

1) distract us from the real environmental issues.
2) give the globalists an excuse to create a one world govt with the power to create laws to govern all national governments!

Why don't they tax the following?:

* Aldrin

* Aroclor 1254

* Arsenic

* Benzene

* Benzidine

* Benzo(A)Pyrene

* Benzo(B) Fluoranthene

* Cadmium

* Chlordane

* Chloroform

* Chromium

* DDE

* DDT

* Dibenzo(A,H)Anthracene Dieldrin

* Hexachlorobutadiene

* Hexavalent

* Lead

* Mercury

* P,P'- Aroclor 1260

* P,P'-Creosote

* Polychlorinated Biphenyls (PCB's)

* Polycyclic Aromatic Hydrocarbons (PAH's)

* Trichloroethylene (TCE)

* Vinyl Chloride

* depleted uranium

* corexit

* and many more!

WAKE UP PEOPLE THESE CHEMICALS ARE WHAT'S REALLY KILLING THIS PLANET!
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Re: Carbon dioxide is necessary for green living plants to grow and produce oxygen.
TPTB don't want us to breathe. Read the Georgia Guidestones...too many of us peons.
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Re: Carbon dioxide is necessary for green living plants to grow and produce oxygen.
The planets Carbon Dioxide could raise significantly and it would only be "good" for the planet.

Your right on OP.
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The planets Carbon Dioxide could raise significantly and it would only be "good" for the planet.

Your right on OP.
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Facts hurt TPTB.
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Agreed ! It is all part of Agenda 21 by the U.N.
Kill most of us off and make the survivors live an agrarian life. The Elite will live with all the modern comforts!
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they're trying to keep the plants from taking over! it wasnt a meteor that killed the dinosaurs!
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TPTB don't want us to breathe. Read the Georgia Guidestones...too many of us peons.
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Not just breathing but more immediately, be able to feed more and more population as plants are able to reproduce better with more CO2. The greater the photosynthesis, the greater the reproduction (making of fruits, vegetables, seeds, nuts)
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TPTB don't want us to breathe. Read the Georgia Guidestones...too many of us peons.

Not just breathing but more immediately, be able to feed more and more population as plants are able to reproduce better with more CO2. The greater the photosynthesis, the greater the reproduction (making of fruits, vegetables, seeds, nuts)
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This is true! Goofy Thum
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If we planted more vegetation wherever we could then perhaps the problem would cease to exist.If I were an Arabian ruler I would build desalination plants and turn the desert green.There was a great dam in Yemen a very long time age which is now broken so someone must have done this before.In spain they have a huge pipeline bringing water to the dry south so it is possible to get the water throughout the land.
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I had hoped this topic would create more debate. Doesn't this issue deserve more attention? cool2
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Carbon dioxide is necessary for green living plants to grow and produce oxygen. The more CO2 the more green living plants, its really that simple! ( I know, I'm a farmer)
I'm amazed at all the armchair environmentalists who have bought into this carbon tax thing. It's simply unf*&^%ng believable! The carbon tax is a red herring that tptb have come up with to:

1) distract us from the real environmental issues.
2) give the globalists an excuse to create a one world govt with the power to create laws to govern all national governments!


* and many more!

WAKE UP PEOPLE THESE CHEMICALS ARE WHAT'S REALLY KILLING THIS PLANET!
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"geological observations that we now have for the last 20 million years lend strong support to the idea that carbon dioxide is an important agent for driving climate change throughout Earth's history".
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Climatologist Dana Royer says it best: "the geologic record contains a treasure trove of 'alternative Earths' that allow scientists to study how the various components of the Earth system respond to a range of climatic forcing." Past periods of higher CO2 do not contradict the notion that CO2 warms global temperatures. On the contrary, they confirm the close coupling between CO2 and climate.
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Yea, c02 is plant food.

Damn Climategate.

I'm hearing of this new eco tax where I am - for recyclable products.
You would think they would want to tax those products which don't recycle....Wouldn't that make more sense?
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Climatologist Dana Royer says it best: "the geologic record contains a treasure trove of 'alternative Earths' that allow scientists to study how the various components of the Earth system respond to a range of climatic forcing." Past periods of higher CO2 do not contradict the notion that CO2 warms global temperatures. On the contrary, they confirm the close coupling between CO2 and climate.
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Yes but if you look closely I believe "the geologic record" shows that when the earth warmed then the amount of CO2 increased because of warming oceans and not the other way around.
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With carbon dioxide levels close to our own, the Arctic of the Pliocene epoch may have warmed much more than previously thought – and the modern Arctic could go the same way.

At that time, CO2 levels are thought to have been close to current levels – around 390 parts per million – but global temperatures were around 2 to 3 °C warmer than today. It was the last warm period before the onset of the Pleistocene glaciation, and is used by climate researchers as a model for our future climate.

Previous studies using computer models have suggested that the Pliocene Arctic was also warmer than it is today – up to 10 °C warmer. A little warming can trigger a lot more in the Arctic because the loss of light-reflecting sea ice and the spread of plants across the land increase the amount of solar energy that is absorbed.
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I had hoped this topic would create more debate. Doesn't this issue deserve more attention? cool2
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Perhaps there's no need for debate(about the truth), since it's quite clear and logical that more co2 is good for plants, which in turn give o2 and goodies.

But there might be a greater need to debate about the source of the problem, and that, in my opinion is the lack of proper education.

Best regards, and thank you for adressing the issue once more!
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which in turn give o2 and goodies.


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and bad things too
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Now OP it is like you and water, you need water to survive but if I held your head under water for oh say 20 minutes you would be dead. The cause - Too Much water.

Do yourself a favor, take an aquarium and fit an airtight lid to it. Put in a bit of soil and some plants and get some dry ice.

First time, put in a small chunk of dry ice (about 3 pounds), let melt and wait a week. Yeppers you get significant growth.

Now triple that (about 9 pounds) and let it melt, in a few days the plants are withering and dying.

The cause - Too much of a good thing.

While in the short run the worlds plants can expect some gains from a minor amount of CO2 build up, when the threshold reaches a certain point (depending on the plant) they start being negatively impacted.
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Re: Carbon dioxide is necessary for green living plants to grow and produce oxygen.
humans emit co2

to reduce co2 levels - u reduce the no. of humans

simple, isn't it ?

its just a cover for eugenics & depopulation
all the rest is just hogwash
.
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humans emit co2

to reduce co2 levels - u reduce the no. of humans

simple, isn't it ?

its just a cover for eugenics & depopulation
all the rest is just hogwash
.
 Quoting: xoc 587237

Ummm...The ocean contributes almost 90% of ALL c02 gases!

We don't control shit!
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humans emit co2

to reduce co2 levels - u reduce the no. of humans

simple, isn't it ?

its just a cover for eugenics & depopulation
all the rest is just hogwash
.

Ummm...The ocean contributes almost 90% of ALL c02 gases!

We don't control shit!
 Quoting: guy369

Manmade CO2 emissions are much smaller than natural emissions. Consumption of vegetation by animals & microbes accounts for about 220 gigatonnes of CO2 per year. Respiration by vegetation emits around 220 gigatonnes. The ocean releases about 332 gigatonnes. In contrast, when you combine the effect of fossil fuel burning and changes in land use, human CO2 emissions are only around 29 gigatonnes per year. However, natural CO2 emissions (from the ocean and vegetation) are balanced by natural absorptions (again by the ocean and vegetation). Land plants absorb about 450 gigatonnes of CO2 per year and the ocean absorbs about 338 gigatonnes. This keeps atmospheric CO2 levels in rough balance. Human CO2 emissions upsets the natural balance.
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yeah o kinda figured most people knew this... they want to starve and tax us to death is the real goal...
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Re: Carbon dioxide is necessary for green living plants to grow and produce oxygen.
humans emit co2

to reduce co2 levels - u reduce the no. of humans

simple, isn't it ?

its just a cover for eugenics & depopulation
all the rest is just hogwash
.

Ummm...The ocean contributes almost 90% of ALL c02 gases!

We don't control shit!

Manmade CO2 emissions are much smaller than natural emissions. Consumption of vegetation by animals & microbes accounts for about 220 gigatonnes of CO2 per year. Respiration by vegetation emits around 220 gigatonnes. The ocean releases about 332 gigatonnes. In contrast, when you combine the effect of fossil fuel burning and changes in land use, human CO2 emissions are only around 29 gigatonnes per year. However, natural CO2 emissions (from the ocean and vegetation) are balanced by natural absorptions (again by the ocean and vegetation). Land plants absorb about 450 gigatonnes of CO2 per year and the ocean absorbs about 338 gigatonnes. This keeps atmospheric CO2 levels in rough balance. Human CO2 emissions upsets the natural balance.
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No, humans don't upset the balance.
There was MUCH more c02 in our atmosphere before cars existed.
There was MUCH more before humans existed.

C02 does NOT cause any sort of global warming like you would think.

...Now, water vapor - that's another story..
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Re: Carbon dioxide is necessary for green living plants to grow and produce oxygen.
humans emit co2

to reduce co2 levels - u reduce the no. of humans

simple, isn't it ?

its just a cover for eugenics & depopulation
all the rest is just hogwash
.

Ummm...The ocean contributes almost 90% of ALL c02 gases!

We don't control shit!

Manmade CO2 emissions are much smaller than natural emissions. Consumption of vegetation by animals & microbes accounts for about 220 gigatonnes of CO2 per year. Respiration by vegetation emits around 220 gigatonnes. The ocean releases about 332 gigatonnes. In contrast, when you combine the effect of fossil fuel burning and changes in land use, human CO2 emissions are only around 29 gigatonnes per year. However, natural CO2 emissions (from the ocean and vegetation) are balanced by natural absorptions (again by the ocean and vegetation). Land plants absorb about 450 gigatonnes of CO2 per year and the ocean absorbs about 338 gigatonnes. This keeps atmospheric CO2 levels in rough balance. Human CO2 emissions upsets the natural balance.


No, humans don't upset the balance.
There was MUCH more c02 in our atmosphere before cars existed.
There was MUCH more before humans existed.

C02 does NOT cause any sort of global warming like you would think.

...Now, water vapor - that's another story..
 Quoting: guy369

if you say so monkey face............

As a consequence, atmospheric CO2 is at its highest level in 15 to 20 million years (Tripati 2009). A natural change of 100ppm normally takes 5,000 to 20.000 years. The recent increase of 100ppm has taken just 120 years.
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Re: Carbon dioxide is necessary for green living plants to grow and produce oxygen.
humans emit co2

to reduce co2 levels - u reduce the no. of humans

simple, isn't it ?

its just a cover for eugenics & depopulation
all the rest is just hogwash
.

Ummm...The ocean contributes almost 90% of ALL c02 gases!

We don't control shit!

Manmade CO2 emissions are much smaller than natural emissions. Consumption of vegetation by animals & microbes accounts for about 220 gigatonnes of CO2 per year. Respiration by vegetation emits around 220 gigatonnes. The ocean releases about 332 gigatonnes. In contrast, when you combine the effect of fossil fuel burning and changes in land use, human CO2 emissions are only around 29 gigatonnes per year. However, natural CO2 emissions (from the ocean and vegetation) are balanced by natural absorptions (again by the ocean and vegetation). Land plants absorb about 450 gigatonnes of CO2 per year and the ocean absorbs about 338 gigatonnes. This keeps atmospheric CO2 levels in rough balance. Human CO2 emissions upsets the natural balance.


No, humans don't upset the balance.
There was MUCH more c02 in our atmosphere before cars existed.
There was MUCH more before humans existed.

C02 does NOT cause any sort of global warming like you would think.

...Now, water vapor - that's another story..

if you say so monkey face............

As a consequence, atmospheric CO2 is at its highest level in 15 to 20 million years (Tripati 2009). A natural change of 100ppm normally takes 5,000 to 20.000 years. The recent increase of 100ppm has taken just 120 years.
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Humans would love to blame ourselves for the destruction of our planet.
We can - but not through c02.
Maybe all our waste - but not c02.

Maybe if we stopped killing all the fucking greenery that takes in C02, we would be a little better.

It's not the c02 gases, it's us fucking everything else that helps it !
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Re: Carbon dioxide is necessary for green living plants to grow and produce oxygen.
humans emit co2

to reduce co2 levels - u reduce the no. of humans

simple, isn't it ?

its just a cover for eugenics & depopulation
all the rest is just hogwash
.

Ummm...The ocean contributes almost 90% of ALL c02 gases!

We don't control shit!

Manmade CO2 emissions are much smaller than natural emissions. Consumption of vegetation by animals & microbes accounts for about 220 gigatonnes of CO2 per year. Respiration by vegetation emits around 220 gigatonnes. The ocean releases about 332 gigatonnes. In contrast, when you combine the effect of fossil fuel burning and changes in land use, human CO2 emissions are only around 29 gigatonnes per year. However, natural CO2 emissions (from the ocean and vegetation) are balanced by natural absorptions (again by the ocean and vegetation). Land plants absorb about 450 gigatonnes of CO2 per year and the ocean absorbs about 338 gigatonnes. This keeps atmospheric CO2 levels in rough balance. Human CO2 emissions upsets the natural balance.


No, humans don't upset the balance.
There was MUCH more c02 in our atmosphere before cars existed.
There was MUCH more before humans existed.

C02 does NOT cause any sort of global warming like you would think.

...Now, water vapor - that's another story..

if you say so monkey face............

As a consequence, atmospheric CO2 is at its highest level in 15 to 20 million years (Tripati 2009). A natural change of 100ppm normally takes 5,000 to 20.000 years. The recent increase of 100ppm has taken just 120 years.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1022207



^BS!

Monkey face? Really... do they pay you to type this?

"The basis of most of the IPCC conclusions on anthropogenic causes and on projections of climatic change is the assumption of low level of CO2 in the pre-industrial atmosphere. This assumption, based on glaciological studies, is false. Therefore IPCC projections should not be used for national and global economic planning. The climatically inefficient and economically disastrous Kyoto Protocol, based on IPCC projections, was correctly defined by President George W. Bush as “fatally flawed”. This criticism was recently followed by the President of Russia Vladimir V. Putin. I hope that their rational views might save the world from enormous damage that could be induced by implementing recommendations based on distorted science."

CO2: The Greatest Scientific
Scandal of Our Time
by Zbigniew Jaworowski, M.D., Ph.D., D.Sc., March 2007
[link to www.warwickhughes.com]
(not that I agree with GW very often, he just happens to be right on this!) cool2
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Re: Carbon dioxide is necessary for green living plants to grow and produce oxygen.
Now OP it is like you and water, you need water to survive but if I held your head under water for oh say 20 minutes you would be dead. The cause - Too Much water.

Do yourself a favor, take an aquarium and fit an airtight lid to it. Put in a bit of soil and some plants and get some dry ice.

First time, put in a small chunk of dry ice (about 3 pounds), let melt and wait a week. Yeppers you get significant growth.

Now triple that (about 9 pounds) and let it melt, in a few days the plants are withering and dying.

The cause - Too much of a good thing.

While in the short run the worlds plants can expect some gains from a minor amount of CO2 build up, when the threshold reaches a certain point (depending on the plant) they start being negatively impacted.
 Quoting: Dr. House


I get the basic premise of your argument however I think you are over stating your point. 9 lbs of dry ice in a small aquarium is not what we are talking about here, relatively speaking.

["Since atmospheric CO2 is the basic "food" of nearly all plants, the more of it there is in the air, the better they function and the more productive they become. For a 300 ppm increase in the atmosphere's CO2 concentration above the planet's current base level of slightly less than 400 ppm, for example, the productivity of earth's herbaceous plants rises by something on the order of 30% (Kimball, 1983; Idso and Idso, 1994), while the productivity of its woody plants rises by something on the order of 50% (Saxe et al., 1998; Idso and Kimball, 2001). Thus, as the air's CO2 content continues to rise, so too will the productive capacity or land-use efficiency of the planet continue to rise, as the aerial fertilization effect of the upward trending atmospheric CO2 concentration boosts the growth rates of nearly all plants.

A 2003 study using 18 years (1982 to 1999) of satellite observations shows that global net primary plant production increased 6% over 18 years. The largest increase was in tropical ecosystems. Amazon rain forests accounted for 42% of the global increase in net primary production. See here.

The world's population is 6.6 billion and increasing at 1.18% per year. People will require increasing quantities of food and more natural ecosystems will be lost to crops and pastures. The resulting loss of habitat may result in species extinctions if crop yields are not significantly increased. Unfortunately, the rate of increase of crop yields is declining as crops are approaching the genetic yield limits. Increasing crop yields on existing farmlands would help to save lands for nature. If crop yields fail to increase, humans will suffer more frequent famines. Fortunately, the increase in CO2 concentrations will substantially enhance crop yields and is essential to prevent or delay the destruction of habitat and animal species, and may allow us to produce sufficient agricultural commodities to feed the growing population. Any action taken by us to slow or reverse the increase in CO2 concentration in the air may result in more frequent famines and species extinctions."]
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as far as co2, i thought it was the runaway greenhouse effect that was scary.. like venus.

Been said the oceans get more acidic w/ increased co2 levels (or maybe emissions in general). Think I saw a congressman say it to the oil execs.
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Carbon dioxide is necessary for green living plants to grow and produce oxygen. The more CO2 the more green living plants, its really that simple! ( I know, I'm a farmer)
I'm amazed at all the armchair environmentalists who have bought into this carbon tax thing. It's simply unf*&^%ng believable! The carbon tax is a red herring that tptb have come up with to:

1) distract us from the real environmental issues.
2) give the globalists an excuse to create a one world govt with the power to create laws to govern all national governments!

Why don't they tax the following?:

* Aldrin

* Aroclor 1254

* Arsenic

* Benzene

* Benzidine

* Benzo(A)Pyrene

* Benzo(B) Fluoranthene

* Cadmium

* Chlordane

* Chloroform

* Chromium

* DDE

* DDT

* Dibenzo(A,H)Anthracene Dieldrin

* Hexachlorobutadiene

* Hexavalent

* Lead

* Mercury

* P,P'- Aroclor 1260

* P,P'-Creosote

* Polychlorinated Biphenyls (PCB's)

* Polycyclic Aromatic Hydrocarbons (PAH's)

* Trichloroethylene (TCE)

* Vinyl Chloride

* depleted uranium

* corexit

* and many more!

WAKE UP PEOPLE THESE CHEMICALS ARE WHAT'S REALLY KILLING THIS PLANET!
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