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Is AA a cult?

 
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Is AA a cult?
Just askin.
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Re: Is AA a cult?
could be, we sometimes joke it is

does this bother you?
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Yup...
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Re: Is AA a cult?
I think it's a community that helps people move forward without a monkey on their back.

Does that bother you? Should they rely on the government? Should they go to a shrink and exchange one addiction for another?

Or should they hang out, drink coffee and be there for each other? I would say AA does wonders for many folks and lifetime friends are made. What's your issue?
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Re: Is AA a cult?
Must I have an issue to simply posit a question?

Sheesh.

What's yours?
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Re: Is AA a cult?
AAA is
"If there is a new fascism, it won't come from skinheads and punks; it will come from people who eat granola and think they know how the world should be." - Brian Eno
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The 12 Steps

Step 1 - We admitted we were powerless over our addiction - that our lives had become unmanageable
Step 2 - Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity
Step 3 - Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood God
Step 4 - Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves
Step 5 - Admitted to God, to ourselves and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs
Step 6 - Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character
Step 7 - Humbly asked God to remove our shortcomings
Step 8 - Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all
Step 9 - Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others
Step 10 - Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly admitted it
Step 11 - Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God as we understood God, praying only for knowledge of God's will for us and the power to carry that out
Step 12 - Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to other addicts, and to practice these principles in all our affairs

if this doesnt sound like a cult then your one of em.
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Assuming it was cheap vodka, right?

So you're into cheap thrills chuckle
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Re: Is AA a cult?
Must I have an issue to simply posit a question?

Sheesh.

What's yours?
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You posed the question. Just asking the issue that prompted you to do so. Sensitive much?
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Re: Is AA a cult?
An esoteric vocabulary of words that only members understand the true meaning of. Dry drunk. Stinkin thinkin. The Fellowship......what are ya Frodo worshippers?

Sounds cultish but maybe thass juss me.
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I think their reliance & influence in government is a bad thing. It really violates the whole separation thing.

State mandated religion is just evil!
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Just askin.
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AA is a new age cult. I was in it for 3 years. Read a book called "the AA deception" It is very revealing about the founders and their involvement in the occult.
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Been there done that- probably should go back. Not a cult so much as a way of life, that helps many people not drink who can't not otherwise. I'm on the fringe- don't quite want to stop entirely- but usually drink to much anyway. Might go back again if I don't die of liver failure first.
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Sometimes I go to AA meetings and dump Vodka in the coffee pot..

The weird thing is in all the years I've been pulling this prank not ONCE has anyone ever complained..
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Trinity you're EVIL!

damned
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Re: Is AA a cult?
The 12 Steps

Step 1 - We admitted we were powerless over our addiction - that our lives had become unmanageable
Step 2 - Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity
Step 3 - Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood God
Step 4 - Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves
Step 5 - Admitted to God, to ourselves and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs
Step 6 - Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character
Step 7 - Humbly asked God to remove our shortcomings
Step 8 - Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all
Step 9 - Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others
Step 10 - Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly admitted it
Step 11 - Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God as we understood God, praying only for knowledge of God's will for us and the power to carry that out
Step 12 - Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to other addicts, and to practice these principles in all our affairs

if this doesnt sound like a cult then your one of em.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 955423

You forgot the 13th step...get as much new-comer tail as you can. 5a
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The 12 Steps

Step 1 - We admitted we were powerless over our addiction - that our lives had become unmanageable
Step 2 - Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity
Step 3 - Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood God
Step 4 - Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves
Step 5 - Admitted to God, to ourselves and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs
Step 6 - Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character
Step 7 - Humbly asked God to remove our shortcomings
Step 8 - Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all
Step 9 - Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others
Step 10 - Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly admitted it
Step 11 - Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God as we understood God, praying only for knowledge of God's will for us and the power to carry that out
Step 12 - Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to other addicts, and to practice these principles in all our affairs

if this doesnt sound like a cult then your one of em.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 955423



this is the 12 steps from Narcotics Anonymous

AA 12 steps are different
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The 12 Steps

Step 1 - We admitted we were powerless over our addiction - that our lives had become unmanageable
Step 2 - Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity
Step 3 - Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood God
Step 4 - Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves
Step 5 - Admitted to God, to ourselves and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs
Step 6 - Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character
Step 7 - Humbly asked God to remove our shortcomings
Step 8 - Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all
Step 9 - Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others
Step 10 - Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly admitted it
Step 11 - Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God as we understood God, praying only for knowledge of God's will for us and the power to carry that out
Step 12 - Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to other addicts, and to practice these principles in all our affairs

if this doesnt sound like a cult then your one of em.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 955423


CULT, no not exactly... More of a CRUTCH for those who don't REALLY want to change themselves and quit whatever it is that they are doing that is no good for them.

Be it booze, or smokes, or whatever, if you WANT to quit something, you QUIT it. You don't take pills to help, or chew gum, or suck up to an imaginary diety to do it FOR YOU, you just DO IT.

Those that can't, don't REALLY want to!

And that's the voice of experience.
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Re: Is AA a cult?
Just askin.

AA is a new age cult. I was in it for 3 years. Read a book called "the AA deception" It is very revealing about the founders and their involvement in the occult.
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I had to go to them for few weeks(Just untill i got a good list of signatures to forge) tounge

There was paintings of the "All seeing eye" on the wall, and pyramids and shit. It just seemed like they were there to see who could tell the best story.

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Just askin.
 Quoting: Ahim-sa

I believe it is and so is Al-Anon. Wanna know what's really a racket, is those 30 day $20,000-$30,000 treatment centers. All they do is team up a bunch of people with the same problem. Then, when the families get fed up, they have plenty of places to go.




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You forgot the 13th step...get as much new-comer tail as you can. 5a


And I forgot to say to all you husbands who's wives are going to meetings every night....yep...they are definitely getting hit on.
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Step 15

Speak of anonymity while telling complete strangers your sordid life story complete with all personal data.

Step 16

Force all members of your family to go to al-anon or al-ateen
to share in the misery of your dry or active drunkenness when the reality is you're just a fucking asshole whether you are drunk or not.
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The 12 Steps

Step 1 - We admitted we were powerless over our addiction - that our lives had become unmanageable
Step 2 - Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity
Step 3 - Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood God
Step 4 - Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves
Step 5 - Admitted to God, to ourselves and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs
Step 6 - Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character
Step 7 - Humbly asked God to remove our shortcomings
Step 8 - Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all
Step 9 - Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others
Step 10 - Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly admitted it
Step 11 - Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God as we understood God, praying only for knowledge of God's will for us and the power to carry that out
Step 12 - Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to other addicts, and to practice these principles in all our affairs

if this doesnt sound like a cult then your one of em.



this is the 12 steps from Narcotics Anonymous

AA 12 steps are different
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not really. they both require you to admit your a spineless puss and submit your life to a 'divine' being.
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You forgot the 13th step...get as much new-comer tail as you can. 5a


And I forgot to say to all you husbands who's wives are going to meetings every night....yep...they are definitely getting hit on.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 732307

And that is no bulshit either......
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Re: Is AA a cult?
You could jokingly call it such and not be a million miles away from the truth.

AA members tend to really devote themselves to the group and AA becomes their center, their reason for getting on with things.
Their day to day lives tend to revolve around the whole AA thing.
They wear little pin badges and gravitate towards other AA members they meet.

Why?

Simple... addiction cannot be broken, it can only be replaced.
AA becomes the replacement for alcohol for them.

That is all.

On a side note... why do alcohol addict get a special name and status?
They are addicted to a drug, so society should call them junkies like any other junkie.

That'd knock them off their high AA horse a bit eh?
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Just askin.

AA is a new age cult. I was in it for 3 years. Read a book called "the AA deception" It is very revealing about the founders and their involvement in the occult.


I had to go to them for few weeks(Just untill i got a good list of signatures to forge) tounge

There was paintings of the "All seeing eye" on the wall, and pyramids and shit. It just seemed like they were there to see who could tell the best story.

 Quoting: ºätaº

I hear ya. I couldn't stop drinking, but I never stopped praying to Jesus Christ for deliverance, and he finally gave it to me. It was after that that I went to AA thinking that I couldn't stay dry on my own. It's a program of fear. I really believed that I would "drink again" if I left there, but what I realize now is that Jesus is still with me as he always has been and my relationship with him is what keeps me sober now. AA is a big pyramid scheme as well. The people at the top, do get paid and they get paid a lot! By the the way, I'm not religious. I don't go to church. Most of the churches have sold out. I read the authorized King James Bible and talk to the Father on a daily basis.
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Who here does not understand the governmentally imposed religious issue here?

Judges who order AA attendance are blatantly violating state-religious separation. Period.

The AA movement has also attached itself to the substance recovery industry and is the sole substance of many pricey medical treatment programs.
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Who here does not understand the governmentally imposed religious issue here?

Judges who order AA attendance are blatantly violating state-religious separation. Period.


 Quoting: Ahim-sa


This I disagree with as they have no "religious affiliation" just a belief in (insert higher power of choice here).
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The 12 Steps

Step 1 - We admitted we were powerless over our addiction - that our lives had become unmanageable
Step 2 - Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity
Step 3 - Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood God
Step 4 - Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves
Step 5 - Admitted to God, to ourselves and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs
Step 6 - Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character
Step 7 - Humbly asked God to remove our shortcomings
Step 8 - Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all
Step 9 - Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others
Step 10 - Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly admitted it
Step 11 - Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God as we understood God, praying only for knowledge of God's will for us and the power to carry that out
Step 12 - Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to other addicts, and to practice these principles in all our affairs

if this doesnt sound like a cult then your one of em.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 955423


pfft!
wtf is with all the "god" shit?

So a judge can basically order you to go convert to christianity???
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Who here does not understand the governmentally imposed religious issue here?

Judges who order AA attendance are blatantly violating state-religious separation. Period.

The AA movement has also attached itself to the substance recovery industry and is the sole substance of many pricey medical treatment programs.
 Quoting: Ahim-sa

I understand it. AA is a religion, a new age one and no one should be "forced" to attend any religious organiztion!!
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The 12 Steps

Step 1 - We admitted we were powerless over our addiction - that our lives had become unmanageable
Step 2 - Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity
Step 3 - Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood God
Step 4 - Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves
Step 5 - Admitted to God, to ourselves and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs
Step 6 - Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character
Step 7 - Humbly asked God to remove our shortcomings
Step 8 - Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all
Step 9 - Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others
Step 10 - Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly admitted it
Step 11 - Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God as we understood God, praying only for knowledge of God's will for us and the power to carry that out
Step 12 - Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to other addicts, and to practice these principles in all our affairs

if this doesnt sound like a cult then your one of em.


pfft!
wtf is with all the "god" shit?

So a judge can basically order you to go convert to christianity???
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 969847

Read my post above.....
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The 12 Steps

Step 1 - We admitted we were powerless over our addiction - that our lives had become unmanageable
Step 2 - Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity
Step 3 - Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood God
Step 4 - Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves
Step 5 - Admitted to God, to ourselves and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs
Step 6 - Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character
Step 7 - Humbly asked God to remove our shortcomings
Step 8 - Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all
Step 9 - Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others
Step 10 - Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly admitted it
Step 11 - Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God as we understood God, praying only for knowledge of God's will for us and the power to carry that out
Step 12 - Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to other addicts, and to practice these principles in all our affairs

if this doesnt sound like a cult then your one of em.


pfft!
wtf is with all the "god" shit?

So a judge can basically order you to go convert to christianity???
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 969847


Just so you know, AA is not a Christian organization. They accept all gods, as long as it's not the only one true God Jesus Christ. They hate him. Generally speaking.





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