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Have you Brits learned nothing from what is happening here in the US? Do you truly want a huge majority for one party in the UK? Learn from our mistakes.

Got this off of Drudge

[link to www.timesonline.co.uk]

The general election race is tightening, according to a Populus poll for The Times that reveals deep public disenchantment with the campaign so far.

The poll, undertaken yesterday and this morning, says that more voters are now hoping for a hung parliament than either a Tory or a Labour outright victory.

Conservative support has slipped by three points over the past week to 36 per cent, while Labour is a point up at 33 per cent. The Liberal Democrats are unchanged on 21 per cent.

The polls tend to fluctuate by a couple of points either way, and these shifts are within the margin of error of the average.


With other new polls pointing to a firming in Labour support, the party may have enjoyed a small boost from its manifesto launch. Tory strategists will hope to have achieved a boost from its manifesto launch today.

If the Populus figures were repeated in the general election in three weeks’ time, and there is a uniform switch in votes, Labour would be the largest single party, with about 300 MPs, ahead of the Tories on 264 and the Lib Dems on 54. This would point to a Lab/Lib Dem coalition. But many analysts do not expect a uniform national swing.

The latest poll shows that 32 per cent of the public now hope for a hung parliament (as opposed to expecting one), against 28 per cent wanting a Tory majority and 22 per cent a Labour one. Lib Dem voters prefer a deal with Labour than the Tories in a hung parliament, by 44 to 31 per cent. The public is evenly split 40 to 42 per cent about whether they want Labour or the Tories in either a majority or a minority government.

The poll shows that the number expecting a Tory overall majority has risen by three points to 34 per cent over the past week. This only just exceeds the number expecting a hung parliament, at 33 per cent, down six points compared with a week ago. Overall, 57 per cent expect the Tories to be the largest party, against 29 per cent expecting Labour to be.

The public is deeply sceptical about the honesty of the parties. Only 4 per cent think that they are being completely honest about their tax plans, 61 per cent partly honest. Only 6 per cent say they are being completely honest about cutting the deficit and 61 per cent partly honest. Some 7 per cent say that they are being completely honest about the extent to which they can fund their policies by cutting waste and 58 per cent partly honest.

Voters were asked to say which party had proposed eight key manifesto pledges. They wrongly identified four: reducing the increase in national insurance contributions (naming Labour not the Tories); allowing unsuccessful schools, hospitals and the police (the Tories, not Labour); tightening up takeover rules (the Tories not Labour); and requiring foreign workers employed in public services to speak fluent English (the Tories not Labour).

In only one case, the £150-a-year tax break, did more than half of voters (60 per cent) correctly identify the party making the proposal.

In most cases, the pledge will make little difference to people's votes, apart from three made by Labour: the foreign workers language pledge, doubling paid paternity leave and allowing the takover of unsuccessful schools, hospitals etc.

More than two fifths (43 per cent), including 50 per cent of women, say “none of the parties”, or “don’t know”, when asked which party is putting across a convincing cases to voters. This compares with 25 per cent naming the Tories and 18 per cent Labour.

Just over half the public (54 per cent) plan to watch the first televised leaders’ debate on Thursday evening. Men and middle class professionals are more likely to say that they will view. More than two fifths (42 per cent) expect David Cameron to win the debate, against 22 per cent for Gordon Brown. More Tories (70 per cent) than Labour voters ( 57 per cent) expect their leader to win.

Two fifths of the public (42 per cent, up one point on a week ago) say it seems like a change from Labour, but are not sure that it is time for a change to the Conservatives. Some 33 per cent, down one point, think it is time for a change to the Tories.
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Brits are dumbed down because of all the inbreeding . It gives them headaches to think for themselves so they enjoy being led like sheep to slaughter, just like obama supporters.
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Some of the comments from the article:



Strangly enough this article and the comments here have made my mind up.

Particularly Nick French with his closed mind creed of greed and jealousy. If he is a Labour supporter then I am most definately not.

So, for the first time in my (considerable) years I will vote TORY. Not without a shudder I need to add but the alternatives are far worse.

We need Labour out. Maybe they can come back in a few year - I like some of their lefty views - but their extremes need calming and fixing before the country is damaged beyond recognition.



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What!? People say they are not sure if they want to change this Government, why not? There must be so many people out there with their heads in the sand. Stand up and be counted before its too late!


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- Have you looked at the figures for percentage of votes gained compared to who gets into power? 2005 elections, 19 million voters cast votes that were ineffective; that's 70% of people who voted. 2005 again, Labour only got 35% of the vote to get their majority of seats (if you take into account low voter turnout (61%) only 1 in 5 of registered electorate voted for the ruling party). It's hardly democracy in action when the majority of people don't want the leading party in government! Time to change our voting system. This is hardly going to happen when elections keep producing results for the Lab/Con. A hung Parliament might be bad in the short term but if it gives them a big enough kick up the backside so that they see the country wants a system that actually produces a reflection of their preferences, rather than depending on some postcode lottery to determine who gets into power, then I'm all for it.
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Brits are dumbed down because of all the inbreeding . It gives them headaches to think for themselves so they enjoy being led like sheep to slaughter, just like obama supporters.

 Quoting: Nailer45


I seriously don't know how Brits put up with all the laws they have in the UK. They have cameras up everywhere to track every move they make. Their taxes are ludicrous. There is a law about how far their garbage can must be placed from the curb and fines are given if not within the parameters.

Then the whole Sharia Law making it's way into Parliamentary procedures.

Come on Brits, stand up for yourselves and shake off the nanny state that is controlling your lives.
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were fucked whatever happens, im voting bnp as my country is a wash with wrong. the media has smeared anyone who raises in issue of immigration by calling them nazis,

tory/labour are all the same andn ot enough people will vote for the bnp. they have made us look like fools with expenses scandals and constant bickering.

if we vote for labour again then no one can moan as we have all seen the decay of our country over the last 15 years and will only have ourselves to blaim.

the hung parliments thing may be good if we can completely reform the voting system but that wont happen, british people have basically been neutered by the media, if your not far left in britain you are far wrong and a nazi.

the only way to get this country back to the good old days in through violence in my eyes {how sad is that} as the police state has screwed us over we have no power anymore. we cant do or say anything. if we do, smear campaings blind the blind.

we need the british che gavara but we havnt,

we need a right wing party that isnt as ignorant as teh bnp but we havnt so they are the only vote for me.

i hate this fucking country and what those lying bastard politicians have turned it into.

weve had it since the mid 90s and its what obama is doing to america. its all fucked and deperessing.
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Brits are dumbed down because of all the inbreeding . It gives them headaches to think for themselves so they enjoy being led like sheep to slaughter, just like obama supporters.
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iamwith

nice and ignorant opionion cleetus.

we are all the same, just getting screwed by different governments.
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were fucked whatever happens, im voting bnp as my country is a wash with wrong. the media has smeared anyone who raises in issue of immigration by calling them nazis,....

...we've had it since the mid 90s and its what obama is doing to america. its all fucked and deperessing.
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I truly feel for you Brits, but we all do need to band together as "free" people and tell our gov'ts no more, that they answer to their constituents, not the other way around.

Let your voice be heard.
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Honestly, I think some bright sparks should be monitoring the output of all these cellphone towers.

It's an Electrosmogopolic Panoptikon that they're fighting to be the makers and masters of.
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The voters in the UK only have themselves to blame. Tony Blair admitted in PUBLIC in the HOUSES OF PARLIAMENT that he LIED about the 45 minute warning.

A Prime Minister LIED and admitted it.

Yet the idiots still voted him back in!

Pathetic!
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were fucked whatever happens, im voting bnp as my country is a wash with wrong. the media has smeared anyone who raises in issue of immigration by calling them nazis,

tory/labour are all the same andn ot enough people will vote for the bnp. they have made us look like fools with expenses scandals and constant bickering.

if we vote for labour again then no one can moan as we have all seen the decay of our country over the last 15 years and will only have ourselves to blaim.

the hung parliments thing may be good if we can completely reform the voting system but that wont happen, british people have basically been neutered by the media, if your not far left in britain you are far wrong and a nazi.

the only way to get this country back to the good old days in through violence in my eyes {how sad is that} as the police state has screwed us over we have no power anymore. we cant do or say anything. if we do, smear campaings blind the blind.

we need the british che gavara but we havnt,

we need a right wing party that isnt as ignorant as teh bnp but we havnt so they are the only vote for me.

i hate this fucking country and what those lying bastard politicians have turned it into.

weve had it since the mid 90s and its what obama is doing to america. its all fucked and deperessing.
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People dont think BNP will get in...but yeah a lot of brits are really angry so i woldnt be surprised...and who can blame em..noone else wants to do anything about the current situation
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The voters in the UK only have themselves to blame. Tony Blair admitted in PUBLIC in the HOUSES OF PARLIAMENT that he LIED about the 45 minute warning.

A Prime Minister LIED and admitted it.

Yet the idiots still voted him back in!

Pathetic!
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imagine if they get voted in again.

i wanna see this bastard country burn if it does.
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The voters in the UK only have themselves to blame. Tony Blair admitted in PUBLIC in the HOUSES OF PARLIAMENT that he LIED about the 45 minute warning.

A Prime Minister LIED and admitted it.

Yet the idiots still voted him back in!

Pathetic!
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OK so educate the Americans on this board what the true general consensus is in the UK.

This board is normally dominated by American Politics and our opinions on such. Here is a thread for you to educate the US on how you feel about your gov't and your up-coming elections.

I would truly be interested in learning more about the UK.
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imagine if they get voted in again.

i wanna see this bastard country burn if it does.
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p.s jsut saying, im not an extermist, just angry hehe
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imagine if they get voted in again.

i wanna see this bastard country burn if it does.


p.s jsut saying, im not an extermist, just angry hehe
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Well join the crowd of many people across the globe.

It seems like your politicians are ignoring you just like our politicians are ignoring us.

So, if you vote for the BNP have you checked that they are not as corrupt as the other parties?
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Brits are dumbed down because of all the inbreeding .
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So that explains why their women are so ugly... and their love for their sadistic queen who should be hanged right away.
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OK so educate the Americans on this board what the true general consensus is in the UK.

This board is normally dominated by American Politics and our opinions on such. Here is a thread for you to educate the US on how you feel about your gov't and your up-coming elections.

I would truly be interested in learning more about the UK.
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basically its a dictarship spread out into 2 parties so they will allways have power.

you cannot voice your opinion without being branded a nazi or having the labour funded uaf rent a mob come and start violence with you. then the media turns thr story into the uaf freedom fighets for the people yet these cowards have never once stoop up against musilm extermism in the uk just bald white guys.

the country changes for the worst every year with more rights being taken away. heck their probably watching this thread now to see who to arrest.

if its not muslim in the uk its illegal. they get away with everything while we get arrested for the most minor of crimse.

its all a mess and i cant see a peacefull way out.
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imagine if they get voted in again.

i wanna see this bastard country burn if it does.


p.s jsut saying, im not an extermist, just angry hehe


Well join the crowd of many people across the globe.

It seems like your politicians are ignoring you just like our politicians are ignoring us.

So, if you vote for the BNP have you checked that they are not as corrupt as the other parties?
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no doubt they will be just as corrupt but the enemy of my enemy.

if they get in their far right wing policies will not be put in place due to the other half of the country being blind.
but immigration will be sorted ovr night pretty much.if they get in it would show a clear message to the other parties. and maybe democray could have a chance again when britain is restored and more than 2 parties are in power forever more.

not very clear but im writing fast as i have to go out soon hehe.
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not very clear but im writing fast as i have to go out soon hehe.
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sorry for bad spelling to, im not retarded but will have to register an account here to edit my posts.
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basically its a dictatorship spread out into 2 parties so they will always have power.

you cannot voice your opinion without being branded a nazi or having the labour funded uaf rent a mob come and start violence with you. then the media turns the story into the uaf freedom fights for the people yet these cowards have never once stoop up against Muslim extremism in the uk just bald white guys.

the country changes for the worst every year with more rights being taken away. heck their probably watching this thread now to see who to arrest.

if its not muslim in the uk its illegal. they get away with everything while we get arrested for the most minor of crimes.

its all a mess and i cant see a peaceful way out.
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So which party favors the muslims more? Gives them more lee-way? I am presuming it is the Labour party that is more favorable to Sharia laws and oppressing non-muslims?
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Brits are dumbed down because of all the inbreeding .

So that explains why their women are so ugly... and their love for their sadistic queen who should be hanged right away.
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iamwith
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So which party favors the muslims more? Gives them more lee-way? I am presuming it is the Labour party that is more favorable to Sharia laws and oppressing non-muslims?
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labour,conservative and lib dems are all the same in my eyes. but labour really made a mess of things.
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So which party favors the muslims more? Gives them more lee-way? I am presuming it is the Labour party that is more favorable to Sharia laws and oppressing non-muslims?



labour,conservative and lib dems are all the same in my eyes. but labour really made a mess of things.
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I would really like to learn more. Right now I have to get kids ready for school.

If any others want a sounding board, here is one thread that is NOT dedicated to American politics....have at it, not many UK threads on this board and just wanted to give y'all a thread to discuss your upcoming elections.

Best wishes to all, will be back after kids are fed, dressed, teeth brushed and in school.
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I would truly be interested in learning more about the UK.


It's simple; one of two parties, either Labour or Conservative, gets to shaft us for the next four to five years after getting a paltry 35% of the vote.

There is a slim chance that one of those two parties might need to team up with Liberal Democrats to shaft us because the 35% (ish) of the vote they got doesn't get them a majority in parliament (like it ever should!).

When this happens (it hasn't for a long time) we often only get shafted by the two parties that team up together for a year or two before they fall out with each other and call another election.

After that election we then go back to our usual routine of being shafted by either the Conservatives or Labour for four to five years even though they again only got around 35% of the vote.

Oh, the wonders of our parliamentary 'democracy'.
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The voters in the UK only have themselves to blame. Tony Blair admitted in PUBLIC in the HOUSES OF PARLIAMENT that he LIED about the 45 minute warning.

A Prime Minister LIED and admitted it.

Yet the idiots still voted him back in!

Pathetic!


OK so educate the Americans on this board what the true general consensus is in the UK.

This board is normally dominated by American Politics and our opinions on such. Here is a thread for you to educate the US on how you feel about your gov't and your up-coming elections.

I would truly be interested in learning more about the UK.
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Totally disenchanted is the word I think. However there needs to be a rapdid change but unfortunately class struggles are rearing their heads again (in name only). Many voters will still cling onto Labour in the name of a pretty much defunct political ideal ie working class refusing to vote for 'those Tory snobs'.

The reality is both parties are 2 cheeks of the same arse but there are important differences.

In my view, 20 or so years of a Labour government has seen us totally bend over for Europe. Immigration is out of control and it's gone beyond the positive effects to sheer imbalance and to the detriment of many communities.

Liberal views have become the only acceptable standpoint and it's lead to a broken society. Kids in many areas have zero respect and the jump to serious violence is very easy for them to make. Too much time, effor and money is spent on criminals with little justice for the victim.

We go to so much trouble placating terrible behaviour, weak punishments for crime and anti social behaviour yet scream outrage when yet another teen is stabbed or someone is beaten to death by a group of teens.

This country has lost it's balls and it's down to Labour and such a fiercely pro Europe agenda. We have to be able to reclaim the middle ground and the right to think for ourselves beyond the liberal guidelines without fear of being branded racist, stoneage, backward etc etc..

Only the Tories can change that.
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Oh, the wonders of our parliamentary 'democracy'.
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bring back guy fawkes hehe.

novemeber the 5th should be celebrated for his attempt on parliment not the fact we caught him hehe.
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by the way say goodbye to your allies as we will be a muslim state soon with chrisitan nationals fighting a guerilla war. a bit dramatic but its gonna happen if we dont fight for our country and right to our culture.
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Not sure I understand what the OP is saying in this thread.

We are heading for a hung parliament which means no Party has a huge majority. So what, exactly, is you beef?
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We are heading for a hung parliament which means no Party has a huge majority. So what, exactly, is you beef?
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its not good for business amongst other things. but it also means we got to many cooks to spoil the broth and none right wing making us even more far left.
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by the way say goodbye to your allies as we will be a muslim state soon with chrisitan nationals fighting a guerilla war. a bit dramatic but its gonna happen if we dont fight for our country and right to our culture.
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by the way say goodbye to your allies as we will be a muslim state soon with chrisitan nationals fighting a guerilla war. a bit dramatic but its gonna happen if we dont fight for our country and right to our culture.


macgun jihad2 jihad rocket
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I hate to say this but on the whole the British population is completely insane. They vote for one party that gives them hell, then when it eventually dawns on them they vote for another party that gives them equal hell, then they go back to the first. Totally insane!

Ask any of the brain-dead why they won't vote for any other party than the big two (or three if you include the pathetic Lib Dems) and they'll say something totally insane like, 'Well, there's no choice, the other parties don't stand a chance'. Of course they don't with moronic attitudes like the British electorate!

And before the other nationalities on this board start gloating, look to to your own systems and I dare you to deny it's any different!





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