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How to know When Your Being Lied To - Lake Erie UFO's

 
Michael Lee Hill
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How to know When Your Being Lied To - Lake Erie UFO's
They have been here over Lake Erie for a long time, These newspaper Articles are from the 1800's.

This is a small part of my research into Lake Erie UFO's, much more to come.

I don't think these folks were seeing airplanes and what they are describing fit's the description of what is still being wittnessed over Lake Erie today.

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Lake Erie: UFOs, Alien Bases, and the Wizard Lights

An article in this morning's Cleveland, Ohio Plain Dealer, concerning UFOs and alleged alien bases in the vicinity of Lake Erie, called to mind a couple of articles in my collection, from the 1860s, addressing strange, luminous phenomena on/over the lake. The first, from 1860, is a short article from the Scientific American of that day, covering a report from the Cleveland, Herald, that notes a report of a ship burning out on the lake, when in fact no ship was burning. The second article I include is from the Brooklyn, Eagle, dating from 1867, and again reporting what resembled a burning vessel upon the lake, as well as discussing reports dating from as much as 50 years earlier.

This demonstrates yet again that the 20th century never had a monopoly on unexplained luminous phenomena; the principle ways that the 20th (from 1947 onwards), and now the 21st, centuries differ from the 19th century and earlier, are:

I include the full text of the two articles from the 1860s, below the excerpt from today's Cleveland Plain Dealer. Note, as you are reading these articles, that the phenomenon is never called "UFOs" (obviously, the term didn't even exist yet), nor are alien bases or extraterrestrial spacecraft mentioned, nor is any paranormal phenomenon, whatsoever, advanced as a possible explanation.

If you feel so inclined, ponder on what that could mean, if anything.

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Lake Erie a UFO sighting hotbed

Friday, March 02, 2007
Whatever Michael Lee Hill filmed from a lakefront Willowick park last August, he wasn't the first to spot something unusual in the skies over or near Lake Erie.

The shallowest of the Great Lakes, Lake Erie is something of a hot spot for UFO sightings, so much so that some theorize aliens have an underwater base in the lake.

Read more

Also see here, for a related story.

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Scientific American, New Series, Volume 3, Issue 8 (Aug 18, 1860)


OPTICAL ILLUSION ON LAKE ERIE.--The Cleveland, Ohio, Herald says that a tremendous thunder shower passed over that city on the night of the 3d inst., and adds :-- "Between three and four o’clock next morning the appearance of a vessel on fire was seen far out on the lake. Some persons thought they could distinguish the sails. During a heavy gust of wind the light disappeared. Such appearances are not unfrequent on the lake, and the more experienced men along the dock think there has been no vessel burnt."


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"A Curious Phenomenon on Lake Erie," Brooklyn Eagle, Thursday, December 12, 1867

A Mystery on the Lakes--The Wizard
Lights--A Curious Phenomenon on
Lake Erie

I notice in the Dispatch, of the 11th inst.*, the following paragraph:--

"The statement that a vessel was seen burning off Erie on Tuesday night, is corroborated by several persons living on the highlands south of the city, who say they saw it."

On the Tuesday evening mentioned, Oct. 29th, at about 7 o'clock, my attention was called by one of my family to a bright light on the lake, having very much the appearance of a vessel on fire. Bringing several objects into range, I watched the light forsome time to ascertain whether there was any preceptible [sic] motion.

The wind was blowing hard at the time down the lake and a vessel would naturally drift rapidly to leeward, at all events as soon as the propelling power should be interfered with the fire. No motion, however, in any direction was to be discovered, and at once concluded that it was nothing more than the "mysterious light," which for many years past, at longer or shorter intervals, has been seen by the inhabitants at this point on the lake shore. The light has made its appearance generally, if not always, in the fall of the year, and usually in the month of November, and almost always during or immediately after a heavy blow from the southwest. The most brilliant exhibition of the light I have ever seen was during the night of the 24th or 25th, as nearly as I can recollect, of November, 1852. It had been my fortune to witness the burning of the steamer Erie, near Silver Creek, several years before, and the resemblance which this light bore to that of the burning steamer was so strong that I confidently expected the arrival of the boats from the wreck during the night. Others with myself watched the light for perhaps two hours, and with the aid of a good night-glass obtained what seemed to be a very distinct view of the burning vessel.

The object appeared to be some 200 or more feet in length upon the water, and about as high above the water as an upper cabin steamer, such as was in use upon the Lake twenty years ago. At times the flames would start up in spires or sheets of light, then away from side to side, and then die away, precisely as would be the case with a large fire exposed to a strong wind; and two or three times there was the appearance of a cloud of sparks, as if some portion of the upper works had fallen into the burning mass below. The sky and water were beautifullly irradiated by the light during its great brilliancy.The light gradually subsided, with occasional flashes until it disappeared altogether. The light of Tuesday evening, although very brilliant for a time, was not nearly so brilliant nor of so long duration as that of 1852.

I am told that this light was seen by mariners on the lakes as long as fifty years ago, but I am not aware that it has ever been made the subject of philosophical speculation or investigation, or, in fact, has ever obtained the notoriety of a newspaper paragraph before. The only theory approaching plausibility I have heard is that the shifting of the sands caused by the continued and heavy winds of autumn has opened some crevices or seams in the rock of the lake bottom through which gas escapes, and that this gas, owing to some peculiar condition of the atmosphere with which it comes in contact, becomes luminous, or perhaps ignited, and burning with a positive flame. That there are what are called "gas springs" in the water along this portion of the lake shore is a well-known fact, and that highly inflammable gas in large quantities exist at a comparatively shallow depth on the shore, has been sufficiently proved by the boring of wells at different points, as at Erie, Walnut Creek, and Lock Haven, and by natural springs at Westfield and Fredonia.

But whatever the cause, the light is a curious fact, and well worthy the attention of those interested in the investigation of the phenomenon of nature.

Peace,
Michael

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I am seeing similar structures here in Belarus from time to time.

Sometimes they even descent to the altitude of 50 meters and less. They look pretty nice and radiant but what are they I have no idea.

Probably some other form of life rather then technological creation.
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I am seeing similar structures here in Belarus from time to time.

Sometimes they even descent to the altitude of 50 meters and less. They look pretty nice and radiant but what are they I have no idea.

Probably some other form of life rather then technological creation.
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They are very beautiful, colorful, and bright aren't they?
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Hi Michael,

With the quantity of vids coming in regards the lake Erie sightings, and their frequency, have you done any mapping/charting of the sightings positions?

If multiple people point at them from different locations around the coastline, would it be possible to traingulate a rough "expected position" over the water?(trying not to sound too much like Charlie Epps from Numbers here).

If possible then the next step would be to work out the closest land point to "that area" and set up an observation point. My idea was that the closer the better for vids & pictures (and please folks if you are reading this bring a tripod and an elastic band as per this tip [link to www.youtube.com] )

Also as you're the man on the spot for GLP, have you any friends who could lend you a telescope, preferabbly one that could have a still camera rigged to it?

Happy Hunting,

I look forward to seeing your results!

thanks,

ideasman
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Hi Michael,

With the quantity of vids coming in regards the lake Erie sightings, and their frequency, have you done any mapping/charting of the sightings positions?

If multiple people point at them from different locations around the coastline, would it be possible to traingulate a rough "expected position" over the water?(trying not to sound too much like Charlie Epps from Numbers here).

If possible then the next step would be to work out the closest land point to "that area" and set up an observation point. My idea was that the closer the better for vids & pictures (and please folks if you are reading this bring a tripod and an elastic band as per this tip [link to www.youtube.com] )

Also as you're the man on the spot for GLP, have you any friends who could lend you a telescope, preferabbly one that could have a still camera rigged to it?

Happy Hunting,

I look forward to seeing your results!

thanks,

ideasman
 Quoting: ideasman 839997


I have been filming these objects over Lake erie from a few different locations, As far away as Perry Ohio which is about 40 miles east of Cleveland right nect to the Perry Nuclear Power plant which as stated on the UFO Hunters show I was on, They confirmed that that area is a no fly zone for planes after 911.

As for a Telescope, i have found what works for me is a nice pair of Nikon Binoculars, But even when you see them close up they still just look like a big orb of pulsing Multi-Colored light.

Hope that helps.

Peace,
Michael
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Are they coming out of the water going up to space, or coming down from space?
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lets triangulate the position on the water and get a team of Navy Seals and go after the slimy green aliens. This is a national security threat.
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Are they coming out of the water going up to space, or coming down from space?
 Quoting: upliftedlala 911969

I have filmed them both entering and leaving the lake, As far as going out into space, they dissapear before you can tell where they go.
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Is there maybe an underwater et base there? I have read something like that. Also, I am convinced that all of this is for GOLD. Could hoards of gold be kept hidden in plain sight in that area? Just speculating.
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Well then perhaps there be a an underwater base there.

That's rather fascinating, the subject of 'UFOs' that also seem to be able to become 'USOs'.

Bill Cooper talks about an account in Behold a Pale Horse while in the Navy and stationed on a submarine of objects exiting the water and then taking off.

Then there is the shag harbor encounter.

I know UFO Hunters did at least one episiode on USO's.

If they really are not ours, and they want to be seen; there is nothing the media can do in the long run.

The can of worms has already started being opened ...
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If they really are not ours, and they want to be seen; there is nothing the media can do in the long run.

The can of worms has already started being opened ...
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I agree 100%

Pandora's Box Indeed, You can't open it just a little bit :-)

Peace,
Michael

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Why? that is the ????. why now? what for? how does it effect us? what can we expect next? who benefits?
and still that question I can't get out of my mind, where is the gold? it is all connected.....peace
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Are they coming out of the water going up to space, or coming down from space?
 Quoting: upliftedlala 911969





Doesn't much matter now, does it? They do both.
USO and UFO. They're both (and have been) here. As are inter-dimensional ones.

We know so little yet we are starting to see so much though.


Michael, have you read MUFON's conclusions? Why do you think they said what they said?
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Are they coming out of the water going up to space, or coming down from space?





Doesn't much matter now, does it? They do both.
USO and UFO. They're both (and have been) here. As are inter-dimensional ones.

We know so little yet we are starting to see so much though.


Michael, have you read MUFON's conclusions? Why do you think they said what they said?
 Quoting: SunDawnn



Michael, have you read MUFON's conclusions? Why do you think they said what they said?

Let me share a E-mail from a Insider that I believe explains and answers your question...

"The so-called ufo community and the budding exopolitics movement are now thoroughly penetrated and presently manipulated by operators controlled by US and european intel groups. An example of the strategies and tactics used by such intel groups is seen in what recently happened to Michael Salla and his group in Hawaii. Thus, we have decided to not seek support or participation from these groups, except as individuals known to members of our organizing group - members of such other groups with proven probity and track of carefully guarded integrity, public streak of independent thinking, and manifest, well informed scholarship."

Mufon is also thoroughly penetrated and presently manipulated by operators controlled by US and european intel groups.

I agree that they are inter-dimensional.

Peace,
Michael

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I have been filming these objects over Lake erie from a few different locations,
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Any Maps to document/triangulate as per my idea?

As for a Telescope, i have found what works for me is a nice pair of Nikon Binoculars, But even when you see them close up they still just look like a big orb of pulsing Multi-Colored light.
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What are your best pix? Please share on GLP. I just figure Binoculars are tricky to rig camera equip to, hence the telescope idea. You never know what you may see with that bit more power and a still shot (if they stay still anyways).

peace

ideasman





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