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(OP) User ID: 908815 Canada 03/08/2010 04:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Today's modern "Christians" believe that they have cornered the market on truth because they believe what the "winning" side says is the truth. In reality, there has always been opposition to the claims made by that "universal" church. Born into this World We create echoes of our inward yearnings And Shift along the Axis From matter to Spirit - Scott Mutter |
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Sir Marmaduke Tweng
User ID: 773761 United Kingdom 03/09/2010 07:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Gnostic texts always make it clear that "Christ" is you(in the sense of your higher self)not a historical figure. Good post FC, surprised you haven't been threatened with "eternal damnation" yet. Egger of the Prophets of the Lard and pooh pooh on your JuJu since 1000000 B.C.E This is how Liberty dies-To the sound of rapturous applause... Proud member of the GLP Atheist Alliance |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 910920 United States 03/09/2010 08:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Irenaeus was right. My fav Irenous quote: "Moreover, another danger, by no means trifling, shall overtake those who falsely presume that they know the name of the Antichrist. For if these men assume one [number] when this [Antichrist] shall come having another, they will be easily led away by him as supposing him not to be the expected one. . . . It is therefore more certain, and less hazardous, to await the fulfillment of the prophecy than to be making surmises and casting about for any names that may present themselves, inasmuch as many names can be found possessing the number mentioned, and the same question will, after all, remain unsolved" (ibid., 5:30:2-3). Irenaeus was level headed straight shooter. |
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(OP) User ID: 908815 Canada 03/09/2010 10:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Elaine Pagels unfortunately has no clue about Irenaeus. Quoting: a 910180Wake me up, when she gets it... She gets it..... [link to womenshistory.about.com] Born into this World We create echoes of our inward yearnings And Shift along the Axis From matter to Spirit - Scott Mutter |
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(OP) User ID: 908815 Canada 03/09/2010 10:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Gnostic texts always make it clear that "Christ" is you(in the sense of your higher self)not a historical figure. Quoting: Sir Marmaduke TwengGood post FC, surprised you haven't been threatened with "eternal damnation" yet. Hi SirMT. Not only the gnostic texts, even the bible itself says it in many places. The problem is that people believe what the church has told them it means rather than figure it out for themselves. And then of course there are added admonitions inserted by the church to NOT go anywhere else or question anything. Born into this World We create echoes of our inward yearnings And Shift along the Axis From matter to Spirit - Scott Mutter |
Sir Marmaduke Tweng
User ID: 773761 United Kingdom 03/09/2010 11:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hi SirMT. Not only the gnostic texts, even the bible itself says it in many places. The problem is that people believe what the church has told them it means rather than figure it out for themselves. Quoting: Full CircleAnd then of course there are added admonitions inserted by the church to NOT go anywhere else or question anything. I'll take your word for it on the xtian bible FC LOL, haven't read that bunch of myths for years I perceive religious literalism as a psychosis where normal logical judgment for deciding what is real and unreal are suspended, and are replaced with an obsession for justifying beliefs using dubious interpretations of an ancient religious book rather than seeing myths as symbolic metaphors. "They must find it difficult, those who have taken the authority as the truth, rather than the truth as the authority" Gerald Massey I always liked this quote from Joseph Campbell as well-"Dreams are private myths, Myths are public dreams" Egger of the Prophets of the Lard and pooh pooh on your JuJu since 1000000 B.C.E This is how Liberty dies-To the sound of rapturous applause... Proud member of the GLP Atheist Alliance |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 912284 Canada 03/10/2010 06:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | hi Full Circle i hope all is well i watched some lectures of dr elaine Pagels that were available online. she is very smart and very passionate! aah the search for truth continues ; ) remember that thing we talked about. sometimes it a takes a few days to process, or even a week. it is absolutely fascinating! i don't like this flag thing at all. it makes feel very uneasy. [link to www.youtube.com] |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 908815 Canada 03/10/2010 08:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | hi Full Circle i hope all is well i watched some lectures of dr elaine Pagels that were available online. she is very smart and very passionate! aah the search for truth continues ; ) remember that thing we talked about. sometimes it a takes a few days to process, or even a week. it is absolutely fascinating! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 912284i don't like this flag thing at all. it makes feel very uneasy. [link to www.youtube.com] I don't like it either Discs. Hopefully I'll get in at the other place soon and see you there. I don't think I'll be spending much time here anymore. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 913842 United States 03/12/2010 09:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Today's modern "Christians" believe that they have cornered the market on truth because they believe what the "winning" side says is the truth. Quoting: Full CircleIn reality, there has always been opposition to the claims made by that "universal" church. Honey...your problem is that you have confused those who mix paganism and a belief in Yahushua, calling themselves "christians" with those who keep Torah, AND have the testimony of Yahushua. It is the latter who is the TRUE believer, and follower of Yahushua and YHVH. Irenaus was a "church father" of that organization who killed all the true followers (Natsarim) of Yahushua, and burned all their books and scrolls. He no more speaks for the truth than an atheist, which I might add, is pretty much what Elaine Pagels is, except she worships the g.o.d. of this world, Satan, who IS responsible for all the death and evil seen in the world today. He IS "the g.o.d. of THIS world", but not for much longer! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 870633 United States 03/15/2010 12:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Great thread. This thread shows a typical argument between Constantine's henchmen and the meditative gnostics. Constantine's henchmen had the express duty of confusing the sacred path and scriptures so no one would ever be able again to see the truth unless they got it fresh from meditation. It was imperative the the dark forces stopped the march of gnosticism as it had just gotten too big and too popular. If more enlightened people came along, the very basis of satan's kingdom on Earth would have been threatened. First these collected all the parchments, then they picked the ones they liked, then they ave them a new interpretation was centered around satanic ritual of eating flesh and drinking blood. then they threatened everyone who didn't like their nonsense with eternal damnation. Why is it that Christians cannot see through this obvious ruse and just go back to worshiping God as light and love and wisdom. It's so simple and rewarding. They put the Bible ahead of meditation. That is their main problem. And that is putting a work of man above the Holy Spirit. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 916084 Canada 03/15/2010 01:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Great thread. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 870633This thread shows a typical argument between Constantine's henchmen and the meditative gnostics. Constantine's henchmen had the express duty of confusing the sacred path and scriptures so no one would ever be able again to see the truth unless they got it fresh from meditation. It was imperative the the dark forces stopped the march of gnosticism as it had just gotten too big and too popular. If more enlightened people came along, the very basis of satan's kingdom on Earth would have been threatened. First these collected all the parchments, then they picked the ones they liked, then they ave them a new interpretation was centered around satanic ritual of eating flesh and drinking blood. then they threatened everyone who didn't like their nonsense with eternal damnation. Why is it that Christians cannot see through this obvious ruse and just go back to worshiping God as light and love and wisdom. It's so simple and rewarding. They put the Bible ahead of meditation. That is their main problem. And that is putting a work of man above the Holy Spirit. Thanks !!! |
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