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Is Logic a Belief?
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[quote:numewenon:MV8yMjAwNjM4XzM3MjUyOTY4X0MzMkZFMERE] [quote:4Q529:MV8yMjAwNjM4XzM3MjUyOTI3XzM3RkMzODQ4] [quote:numewenon:MV8yMjAwNjM4XzM3MjUyODQwX0ZFMDA2MDVB] [quote:4Q529:MV8yMjAwNjM4XzM3MjUyNzcyXzMwN0YxNTg4] [quote:Face Palmer:MV8yMjAwNjM4XzM3MjUyNTg3X0M0MDkyOUE2] [quote:4Q529:MV8yMjAwNjM4XzM3MjUyNTQyXzE4RDY5MjI1] [quote:Face Palmer:MV8yMjAwNjM4XzM3MjUyMzg3X0MwODQ1NTE0] You can actually prove logic.[/quote] Obviously, you have never read Karl Popper. Michael [/quote] No, never heard of him? I will look him up, I love stuff like this. Which book you mean exactly?[/quote] Can't remember the title. His ultimate conclusion: "The fundamental assumptions of any definitional system cannot be proven", or something to that effect. The argument goes "If...then". The "if" cannot be proven. It is assumed to be a given. A radical over-simplification; but that's the gist. Logic has to do with the fundamental structures of the consciousness of the 'thinker'. But there are other approaches to reality; for example, poetry. Poetry can never be proven. Poetry approaches the issue of truth from a completely different perspective. "The moon was a ghostly galleon, tossed upon cloudy seas" is, for example, a truth; but it cannot be proven, nevertheless. Michael [/quote] Sort of like mathematics... you have your axioms as the basis. You cannot prove these "ifs" See that's where it gets all trippy to my mind. because the axiom of logic is the assumption that logic is logic. I don't know if i can write down the strange feeling it gives me in words when I think too hard about it.[/quote] Right. Popper was a mathematician first. What you are experiencing is the transition between dimensions of consciousness; between the consciousness of the 'thinker' and the consciousness of the "self"; which can be summarized as the difference between science and logic and poetry and the lyrics of songs. But there is another dimension of consciousness beyond these two dimensions as well: http://science-of-consciousness.blogspot.com/2011/04/towards-new-paradigm-of-consciousness-i.html Ultimately, the three dimensions of consciousness is neither a logical, nor a poetical description of reality; but, rather, something that can be directly observed. Michael [/quote] mmm yes i think this is the kind of stuff i was looking for. I'll look at it when I get back! thanks sir. [/quote]
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Logic is what it is-- but we only see it through our brains which are biased. So do we believe in it?
My ultimate faith lies in logic. It also leads me to some very peculiar conclusions about life. They have similarities to aspects of Buddhism and some other concepts "preached" by people who meditate or do psychedelic drugs.
So is my faith in logic basically like a faith in God? Or even a faith directly in God?
Discuss. Please! (no this is not a bible thumping thread but everyone is welcome to say whatever)
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